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  1. FireKeeper Jedi Youngling

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    I meant, this fellow isn't big on his expressions slipping, he is a former Jedi.

    The mind meld for the sake of healing thing seems to work. I am kinda worried some readers may interpret this moment as "shippy" though, I don't want anything about these particular characters interpreted as romantic, and I know there are "geniuses" who interpret the interrogation scene of TFA as romantic *shudders*. I guess these are just my problems, though.

    As for his mom, no luck here, because whoever she was, she has been dead for centuries.

    And no crossovers. I position my fanfics as a serious AU that is a TFA fic for people who hated TFA. And most readers don't take any crossovers seriously.

    Yes, he is unconscious at one point. But thst is before he decided to do what he decided to do. And even then, I left the droid to take care of him, because I didn't want my OC to spend hours staring at a bacta tank awkwardly, trying to figure out where he came from, and would rather have her plan her next move against the enemy. Or train Rey. Or talk to Luke. Or whatever is more interesting to the readers than watching someone else in a bacta tank.
  2. FireKeeper Jedi Youngling

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    Sorry for doublepost, I just have a few things concering the Knights of Ren I need to clear up to write my new villainess( since Kylo's dead in my fics, someone has to replace him) :

    First, how prevalent are crossguard lightsabers among the Knights of Ren? Are they something incredibly common, what almost everyone has, or is there a relaxed attitude towards weaponry, and everyone wields whatver lightsaber they want?

    Second, just how possible, and how practical is it to dual wield two crossguard lightsabers? I would like my villain OC to be a dual wielder, but I am not sure how much of a good idea it is to wield two crossguards. It is possible to dual wield crossguards in SWTOR, but since SWTOR is Legends now... Also, I am not sure if dual wielding crossguards just plain looks Sueish or not. While I am trying to make this gal a smarter, more calculated and badass Dark Sider( in contrast to the whiny Kylo), I am still afraid with going overboard. Is it possible for her to wield two crossguard lightsabers, or should I swap them for ordinary lighsabers( or, if a crossguard is mandatory, a single crossguard).

    Also, do all the Knights of Ren change their names once they become one? I originally thought that this OC kept her first name and added "Ren" as a last name( she didn't have one because she was a street orphan), but I am not sure how correct is this. Is changing one's entire name required? If so, are there any naming conventions? I have considered the idea of making all the Knights of Ren share the "Ren" surname, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea or not. What about the first names? Do they have to pick new ones? If so, are there some common things about their names( like, all of them starting with K, or having to syllabes, or something like that)?
  3. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    To my knowledge: we don't know

    I would say that dual wield is easier with 'sabres that don't have the guards. It is possible that the crossguard is something tht you can turn on and of so you could have your character have the cross guards deactivated when she is dual wielding her 'sabres

    To my knowledge: we don't know
  4. DARTH_MU Jedi Master

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    Hi @FireKeeper

    Don't worry about dp

    The reason why crossguard sabers came into being in disney canon is that the builder don't know what they are doing. They are defective sabers. They are red because again, the builders don't know what they are doing. Those rules are true in Disney canon only. In Legend EU, there were no crossguards (or if there were, just intended design preference). The blades are red because the sabers are made with artificial crystals instead of special ones from Jedi caves made naturally (much lab made pearls vs pearls from mollusks).
    You may already known those rules.

    My thinking toward KOR sabers. If they are forced to build their own, most of them would be wielding red cross guards. Their "master", who theoretically is the most "powerful" one of the bunch, has a red cross guard. In my opinion duel wielding is not a problem as long as she can manage it and doesn't cut her own arms off with the blade tips sticking out.

    In my opinion, because Rey's flashback only the leader has a lightsaber in the scene, it means the rest of the KOR didn't have sabers. So there are some possibilities. 1) They just can't build sabers. 2)They can only build cross guards later 3)They take the Jedi weapons from academy corpses, in which case the KOR saber would be regular yellow, green, blue in color 4) The corpses don't have sabers either, the KOR raids Luke's storage, saber styles, colours, see 3).

    In my opinion, the KOR do change their name. They all have the same last name Ren. First name I usually use their last name. Except one of my OCs, who uses her first name instead. First or last name, but for me, original last name as first name preferred.

    Don't worry about your OC being Mary Sue. Unless she's insanely beautiful with red gold hair, a master swordswoman not only in her own mind but literally and whoops everyone's butt, saves Luke after being turned to the Light, etc....

    Personally though, I don't get the auto Mary Sue label just because some OC has red hair, but their are readers out there who prefer your OC not to have red gold hair.

    It would be great if your OC has a regular color blade looted from a regular Jedi student in one hand, and a regular weapon such as a whip or vibroblade in the other. Need to ask other people on the boards though. Would one hand lightsaber, one hand regular weapon Mary Sue?
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  5. FireKeeper Jedi Youngling

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    Also, what about the founder of the Knights of Ren? Anything on this subject? I hope it wasn't Crylo... I don't want to give him too much credit...
    Also, any info on whether the KOR are Luke's defected students, or could they be someone from elsewhere? Because this OC didn't study at Luke's...
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  6. DARTH_MU Jedi Master

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    As far as my headcanon go, they were indeed Luke's students, and again in my headcanon, Crylo did start their "organization". It was with the help of Snoke, but in my headcanon he did start it. At least the original members. I haven't thought about their recruitment procedures. Tentatively the members would coerce/kidnap their force sensitive friends/relatives to join.

    Keep in mind though, the above and my posts about the KOR are just my headcanon this moment. I'm pretty sure the origin of the KOR and how they recruit would be made clear in the following films.

    Edit: FYI, Even after Episodes 8 and 9 comes out, and who exactly the KOR are, I'm not going to follow them(the films) for my "The Bounty" series of fanfics.
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  7. Snocone Jedi Padawan

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    Really, all we know (unless something was in the novels leading up to Ep 7) is that 1. Lor San Tekka says, "I know where you come from. Before you called yourself Kylo Ren." and 2. Snoke says, "Even you, master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test."

    It's hard to draw too much info from those two statements about:
    - who exactly comprises the Knights of Ren (former Luke students? Some Force-sensitive scoundrels? Other students of Snoke?),
    - how long they've been around,
    - who was the master before Kylo (if there was one),
    - whether or not "Kylo" is also a title or just a new name,
    - how involved Snoke is, etc.

    We DO know:
    - that "Kylo Ren" used to be Ben Solo,
    - "Ren" is apparently a title and not just a surname,
    - Snoke is Kylo's master of the dark side,
    - Kylo is "master" of the Knights of Ren,
    - Kylo has a small group of co-conspirators (presumably the Knights of Ren).

    Much else, from what I can tell, is just headcanon. Which is fine, but any headcanon you use risks being made obsolete/incorrect by Ep 8 and 9.
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  8. FireKeeper Jedi Youngling

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    Thing is, since I am already hopeless about Episode 8( I have no faith in it after TFA, as well as what Mark Hamill said they did to Luke's character). I already hate this canon, so I am writing a series of alternate continuity fics. That's why I'm asking how much am I allowed to fill with headcanons.
  9. mavjade It's so FLUFFY! Fanfic Manager

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    The wonderful thing about fanfic is the answer to this question is... as much as you want!
    Alternate Universe stories especially, allow you to keep what you like and change everything else, or heck, just change everything!
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  10. Snocone Jedi Padawan

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    I hear you. I'm set out to do the same thing with Ep 1-3. Just replacing what I feel is bad/unnecessary because fanfic.
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  11. Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master

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    @Findkeeper - Youtube can be a useful resource.

    Because there can be Star Wars fans even more into lightsabres than us writers, via either creating fan films of lightsabre fights, or filming themselves messing about in their garage; you might be able to see practical advantages and disadvantages to crossguards, the holding lightsabres backwards thing promoted by Starkiller, and so on.

    Back when I was researching, there were some good duels matching one style against another.

    Eg.
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  12. Chyntuck Force Ghost

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    @FireKeeper @DARTH_MU About crossguard lightsabers: apparently the reason Kylo's needed a crossguard is that the crystal inside it was cracked. The crossguard blades were actually vents for the spare energy it generated (see this Wook article). About lighsaber colours, the novel Ahsoka has a bit about how a darksider forcing a Kyber crystal to bend to his/her will makes the crystal bleed, hence the red colour (or some such). At the end of the novel, Ahsoka builds new lightsabers from the crystals she obtained by killing an Inquisitor, and for her the blade is white (see here).
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  13. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    What species do we know of that have webbed-fingers?
  14. Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master

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    Calamari.

    Inleshat

    Possibly the Walrus Men species.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Iskalonians with them too.

    Why not wiki all the water planets, and see if they have any non-human sentient residents, then see what it says about their digits.

    Since you have not specified sentient, do mynocks have webbed digits?
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  15. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Sorry, I meant sentient species. I would probobly have used animals if I meant non-sentient species
  16. gizkaspice Jedi Knight

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    @Gamiel do all digits have to be webbed? Toydarians have webbed feet. Anguilla have webbed hands. For all digits, there's also Karkarodon (clone wars species) and the Multopos.
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  17. Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus

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    Don't know about mynocks; might need to rewatch ESB and see if you can make any out. They look sort of like space mantas to me; I didn't notice limbs but then I wasn't looking.

    I shouldn't be doing this... Anyone have thoughts on what the Imperial ISB equivalent of a Chief Inspector is? ...stupid *^&(*!! bunnies...
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  18. Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master

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    ISB is not really a police organisation, so wouldn't have a senior detective, direct equivalent, I wouldn't have thought.

    It was created to rival Imperial Intelligence, an intelligence agency, so I don't think ISB is the right organisation to use, if you want a Chief Inspector role.
  19. Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus

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    IDK... I need investigation of a Senatorial murder. For political reasons, I can't believe they'd leave it to the locals. Definitely doesn't fall under Intell. I think it could work under ISB with the aegis of "who is trying to destabilize/suborn His Majesty's government by doing this?"
  20. Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master

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    The Emperor put some of his clone army in charge of policing Coruscant.

    If this happens early enough in the Empire, I think the Blue Guards (Senatorial), have an investigative unit.

    If you need to use ISB, just assign a pair of agents to investigate.

    If it was me, I would be using Coruscanti Police. You say "can't believe they'd leave it to the locals" like "locals" is a bad thing.

    Thing is, police units are raised up to match the area that they work in. Cops working the Senatorial district are going to be used to dealing with diplomats, bureacrats, alien visitors.
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  21. DARTH_MU Jedi Master

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    Perhaps inquisitors?
    Hands?
  22. Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus

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    No, it's later. Maybe 4-5 years BBY. I need an elder who would have been around under the republic. Non-Force users, so Hands and Inquisitors are out.

    Meh. I'll make something up... :p



    Well, I *personally* wouldn't think the locals were a bad thing, but if the Senate go to the Emperor to ask about the investigation of the death of one of their own, I can't see him saying that the local force would be sufficient. The Senate (and the Emperor) would expect a higher 'authority,' who could throw their weight around as needed. Which is where the ISB or whoever would come in. I just can't figure out the rank structure...
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  23. Sith-I-5 Jedi Grand Master

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    ISB intimidates individual citizens into not Rebelling.

    It does not investigate crime.

    If you are planning to distribute leaflets, or have been in contact with known Rebel sympathisers, Imperial Intelligence will investigate your arse; ISB will just turn up at your door and warn you that you are being watched.
  24. Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus

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    But if the Senator appears to have been murdered by Rebel sympathizers...?
  25. Chyntuck Force Ghost

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    @Mistress_Renata Am I correct in understanding that you want a situation where, in American TV series, they would bring in "the Feds" to investigate? If that's the case, I'd go for Imperial Intelligence rather than ISB, but that's a gut feeling more than anything else. My impression is that, because the ISB was created as a rival to Imperial Intelligence, it would be about monitoring any type of seditious activity within the Imperial ranks rather than investigating Rebel-related crimes among the general public. However, that's really just my two drachmas, and at 298 drachmas to the dollar (not adjusted for inflation) it's a very cheap thought ;)
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