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Discussion in 'Fan Fiction and Writing Resource' started by Luna_Nightshade, Nov 24, 2011.

  1. Sith-I-5

    Sith-I-5 Force Ghost star 6

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    Heh heh heh. :)
     
  2. Thorn058

    Thorn058 Jedi Master star 3

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    Yep Spiderman and his amazing friends followed the adventures of Peter Parker and his roommates Angelica and Bobby Drake aka Firestar and Iceman both former Xmen. The fought villians and ran into marvel heroes like the xmen, Dr Strange and I think the fantastic four made an appearance
     
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  3. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Oh, of some reason I thought that series was from the 70's. And to answer the original question. I'm looking for his closest supporting cast in the comics during the early 80's
     
  4. Thorn058

    Thorn058 Jedi Master star 3

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    I didn’t get into comics until late in the 80’s probably around 87 to 89 and then it was the Transformers. I didn’t hit my 20-30 dollar a day comic habit with most of the Marvel books until into the 90’s but I was never much a huge Spider-Man fan even then. If I had to take a guess during the 80’s you are looking at pre- Mary Jane storylines so Gwen Stacy, Flash Thompson, Harry Osborne and Aunt May for close friends.
     
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  5. FireKeeper

    FireKeeper Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Not really asking advice right now, but just wondering what do you think of my headcanon about Luke's different lightsabers.
    The way I see it, since in my fanfic Luke's exile was a ruse, and he actually went to Ahch-To to look for a relic that can stop Snoke, he still has the green lightsaber he used in ROTJ. The blue lightsaber that once belonged to Anakin he actually recovered a few years after beginning to restore the Order and gave to Mara( I don't remember if there was such a plot element in Legends or not, I need to read the Thrawn trilogy sometime), and she used it up till her apparent death during Kylo's attack, was taken by the enemy forces and switched hands several times after that. It was actually recovered not so long ago before the events of the fanfic by Maz, who managed to gamble it off the hands of one of the mercenaries who claimed it as a trophy. That's why when Rey hands it over to Luke, it is a very emotional moment for him because this lightsaber is connected not only to his father, but to his wife as well.
     
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  6. Findswoman

    Findswoman FanFic Awards Volunteer star 5 VIP - Game Winner

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    Since I didn't see anything in particular about this in the FAQ, I would be interested to know people's thoughts on the portrayal of unwanted advances that border on harassment (or even are harassment; that's part of the question). At what point is a content warning warranted? At what point do things enter the PG-13 realm (or more)? And where is the line between "just" (!) unwanted advances and actual harassment or assault? Curious to know, since this comes up in a story I'm working on.
     
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  7. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Master star 5

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    My two cents is that any unwanted advance is harassment. Assault is relatively different given verbal or physical. I would say that TOS enters the picture if the detail of your description begins to name genitalia or specific descriptions of nakedness or sexual activity. Not a MOD, so not sure of the specifics.
     
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  8. mavjade

    mavjade It's so FLUFFY! Fanfic Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think what happens and how it's written really matters. If you take Han in ESB, he continues to push even though Leia doesn't want him to at the time. I don't think she feels threatened, just annoyed with his advances. Something along those lines wouldn't need a warning nor would go above our family friendly rating. I think you could have someone feel somewhat threatened with no touching, a warning would be up to you. If it was threatening and touching is where you'd start to run into warning and possibly going over the line territory. It could be written and still be within the TOS, but it's a fine line.

    You can always send a section of fic you aren't sure about to Bri and I and we'll discuss it (anyone can do this at anytime!).
     
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  9. brodiew

    brodiew Jedi Master star 5

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    mav makes a good point. The difference is that we are telling stories we can control for the most part. Han's snarky advances are okay in the context of the story because Leia doesn't feel threatened. In a love story like theirs, the challenge presented by Han (or the challenge of Han in general) was accepted by Leia. In the event that Han said these things to someone who had not accepted his challenge, the story would have taken a different direction. If Leia had seen Han as less a challenge and more of a creeper, he would have been shown the door...or the airlock as it were.
     
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  10. divapilot

    divapilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    @Findswoman - I’ve been churning about your question about this afternoon (snow day, I’m not ignoring my job :p). It’s a good one. Here’s what I think.

    If you approach the scene from the way the target feels about the unwanted advances rather than approaching it from what actually happens, you might avoid the TOS issue. For example:
    Oola tried to adjust the cloth on her filmy dancer’s costume but there simply wasn’t enough of it to cover her. She hoped tonight Master Jabba was in a good mood. But not too good. On those night, when the Hutt boomed with raucous laughter, his bulk shaking the dias she perched on, he felt ...generous... toward his guests. And he lent out his property to them for their amusement. Oola shivered and clutched at the frail fabric again, as if to cover her skin from the grasp of rough hands.


    I’m not sure whose POV you’re thinking of but I’m assuming it’s the target of the unwanted physical attention and not the perpetrator. From the perpetrator’s POV, he/she wouldn’t see it as unwanted touching or assault in the first place but rather either something they hope is romantic or something they feel they are entitled to.

    Depending on the intensity of the scene, I’d definitely put a trigger warning on it.
     
  11. Findswoman

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    Thank you all for your insights; they’ve been very helpful (and reassuring too). Mods, I’ve sent you a PM with the passage in question; thanks for offering to look it over. I really appreciate this, as this is an area of writing with which I haven’t had much experience. @};-
     
  12. Lady_Misty

    Lady_Misty Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Anyone know of any resorts, both as locations and planets, that could have been around a thousand plus years ago? I would like to use a Canon location if possible for my pirate to rob.
     
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  13. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Funny, you asked this question and later that day, I ran across an article discussing just this... romance writing in the age of MeToo. Thought it was rather thought provoking. Growing up in the '80s, with Kathleen Woodiwiss & Beatrice Small, the heroines were always getting raped, it seemed, and not always just by the hero. Not sure you could get away with the same thing, nowadays.
     
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  14. Findswoman

    Findswoman FanFic Awards Volunteer star 5 VIP - Game Winner

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    Wow, that’s intense stuff indeed, @Mistress_Renata ! I would certainly hope one couldn’t get away with that now. The scene I have is nowhere near that level of violence—the worst it gets is that the man grabs and kisses the woman’s hand without her consent (after which she pulls away and slaps him). But I still want just would like to make sure I’m not crossing any lines. (Actually, I just bounced the scene off the mods, and they said it was all right with just a small warning.)
     
  15. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Seriously, compared with some of those, 50 Shades was pretty tame. [face_hypnotized] I'm at the point now where I usually skip over the sex to get back to the plot (assuming there is one), so... [face_blush]
     
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  16. Raissa Baiard

    Raissa Baiard FanFic Awards Volunteer star 4 VIP - Game Winner

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    Lots and lots of questions about pregnancy and prenatal care in the GFFA-- a topic on which I can find almost nothing on Wookieepedia. The only medical technology specifically mentioned are those scary midwife droids from RotS (that would have been the last thing I wanted to see when I was giving birth!) and if I remember right, even those were converted to that purpose. Does anyone have any knowledge or fanon on this topic? Should I just go with RL practices but give the technology (like ultrasound) an upgrade? :p

    What kind of equipment and personnel would a typical Rebel base like the one on Yavin 4 have? Specifically, how well or badly equipped would they be to handle pregnancy? (Not actual labor and birth, but prenatal care). Also, do we know of any medical officers who served during the early days of the Rebellion?

    Also, do we assume that the gestation period of a Near-Human species would be roughly the same as the Human term of 40 weeks? Does it seem fair that a Human/Near-Human hybrid would be regarded as a higher risk pregnancy, due to the unpredictable genetic combinations?
     
  17. Lady_Misty

    Lady_Misty Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    @Raissa Baiard apparently that human doctor in TFA delivered Ben Solo so there are trained beings that can deliver a baby. And I would go for RL parallels with upgrades.

    I would think after thousands of years of interacting and intermixing there would be ample knowledge of hybrids and how their development could be affected so they might not be considered a high risk pregnancy depending on the species of the parents and genetic histories of the parents that could lead to health complications. Watched, maybe, but not life threatening.
     
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  18. Chyntuck

    Chyntuck Force Ghost star 5

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    In the story where I had a pregnancy this is what I went with. I upgraded the ultrasound to a scanner that gives you a three-dimensional holo of the foetus and I also had the portable model that the doctor just waves in front of your abdomen to get a two-dimensional image on the screen. I also made up some medbabble about stimulation to the pelvic muscles that can be performed by a droid/medic instead of exercises.
    I would expect that they have at least the minimum. I picture these bases as hosting entire families that had to go into hiding when one family member joined the Rebellion, so they would seek to provide that sort of medical care too.
    For gestation, I had canon (Legends) info that the non-human species grew up faster than humans during childhood, so I went with a shorter (albeit undefined) duration of pregnancy. I tied this in to the idea that it was a higher risk pregnancy, because the faster growth of the foetus would put more pressure on the mother. I also played around with some benchmarks, e.g. I decided that in the non-human species the baby's gender became visible later than it would in a standard human pregnancy so I had my human doctor puzzling about why he couldn't determine a gender yet. And I did mention something about the risk of malformation for the child, although I ended up not using that idea.

    I don't think I went into specifics beyond that, but I can dig up those chapters for you if you want to have a look for details.
     
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  19. divapilot

    divapilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    @Raissa Baiard - wasn’t Poe Dameron born during (or immediately after) the war? He’s born in 2ABY on Yavin. Someone must have been there to help his parents through the pregnancy.

    Re fanon, in one of my stories I had a war medic deliver a baby, so i assumed at least basic gynecological and obstetrical skills would be something medics train for.
     
  20. Mistress_Renata

    Mistress_Renata Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Plus, I think that the doctors who joined the rebellion came from a variety of backgrounds. You could have an OB/GYN who is now doing trauma surgery tapped for their original specialization. Or, IRL, don't all medical students get at least the basics? So a cardiologist might specialize in the heart, but would have done a short rotation on the OB/GYN words while in training.

    At the very least, some of the other, older women may have experienced pregnancy & childbirth themselves (some of the men who are fathers, who supported their wives?); in a pinch, they could do something.

    I have thought a lot about human/non-human hybrids; I do think that the pairing you're thinking of ([face_love]) might maybe be one of the less complicated ones? At least in my thoughts, anyway... (Human/Sullustan... not happening. Adoption is a given.)
     
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  21. Raissa Baiard

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    Thanks for the responses. I guess I figured most medical professionals would know how to deliver a baby, but I wasn't sure if any of them would have experience with obstetrics/prenatal care, especially in a potentially higher risk case. I know from my own experience with the Youngling that such cases usually have not just an OB but a specialist following them.
    This is an interesting idea. I can see the senior medical officer essentially polling the staff... "You! Private Antilles! Didn't you say you had an OB rotation at Coruscant General as an intern?" "Uh, yeah..." "Great! Get over here and take care of
    the General

    Interesting about the life span/gestation parallels. I wonder if in this case it might lead to a longer than usual gestation period because the parentage is reversed (non-human mother and Human father). I don't know about risks of malformation, but the genetics of this particular hybrid seem pretty unpredictable. Of the three canon examples I found, two look more or less like the non-human parent, while one looks more or less Human. If you have links or chapter numbers I'd like to take a look. There's just so little in profic :p
    I'll have to see if I can find any indication she was active in the Rebellion... she'd be awesome as a potential OB.
     
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  22. Lady_Misty

    Lady_Misty Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I was reminded that my friend Bryg’s husband, who is studying to be a podiatrist (foot doctor), had to shadow other doctors as part of his training so he could see how the feet of patients were affected by various things like how a pregnancy would affect a woman’s feet.

    So anyone with medical training would know the basics and what to do.


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  23. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 5

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    That is what I have been thinking of all along.

    My two paras:

    I will have some pregnant characters in my epic, but in most cases, I want to skip birth scenes all together. They will not contribute to character growth without a bunch of other factors, so why have them?

    Since I have not been pregnant, I rely on firsthand experiences of those who had children, instead of making things up. I avoid miscarriages as plot devices like plague and I try not to get too much into the process. But that's just me.
     
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  24. Ewok Poet

    Ewok Poet Force Ghost star 5

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    Posting this separately, so people who don't like it could just skip it...

    Reading the article.

    "Romantic...fiction...convention".

    Okay, this is already weird.

    I rarely ever agreed with Hillary Clinton on anything (sorry, can't forget the 1990s...), but she's right here. No substance. Nothing.

    "sees the heroine raped four times in the first 100 pages"

    Okay, this was a thing in 1972, but it's still a thing in 2018. Just go to AO3.

    "In the 1970s, the archetypal romance hero was forceful, controlling, sexually demanding, the workings of his mind generally incomprehensible to the women he pursued. These days, he might be controlling, but readers are more likely to be given reasons for his behaviour. Rape has not been a plot device for decades – and even when it was, says MacLean, there was a reason for it. “The genre is often dinged for bodice-rippers’ forced seductions [but] there was a reason why heroines were thrown over the back of a horse. Even then, romance was feminist,” she says. In The Flame and the Flower, “you don’t choose to write that on the page if you’re not making a clear statement about what rape is and how the world treats women”."

    Aww, let's save him.

    No way, let him save himself...or drop dead.

    "Greek tycoons and Italian billionaires"

    Send me one over, I need money. :p

    "I don’t want this intelligent, serious woman to reinforce these stereotypes."

    Then how do you deconstruct them and deny them? Not the right way, IMHO. Mock stereotypes, have characters grow out of them, rip stereotypes to shreds!

    “I’ve never not written consensual sex, but now it feels like the consent needs to be explicit, vocal and enthusiastic.”

    That's probably why people think it sucks when it's not earth-shattering or magical.

    “That’s part of the Fifty Shades thing – that he makes all the decisions, and for a working woman that can be wonderful. But I think we are a bit tired of that now. The idea of having the responsibility for sex taken out of our hands is less exciting.”

    And here it is...a problem. The books are from her POV, there's female gaze, but from the passages I have seen...nothing else is there. Plus, not everybody is into that kind of a thing and now it's suddenly mainstream, in a way that's most likely non-con.

    Yeah, this is horrible. :(

    EDIT: This one is interesting, too! https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/24/top-10-unlikely-romantic-heroes-in-fiction
     
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  25. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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