I have always liked to subscribe to the Robert Rodriguez ("From Dusk Till Dawn", "El Mariachi", "Desperado", "Spy Kids", et cetera) school of thinking....it's always seemed most preferable and reinforcingly positive by far. Namely, it is that the idea itself comes first, and once you've got that, then all other concerns and issues are minor in comparison. In his excellent book "Rebel Without A Crew", he points out that if you have ever closed your eyes and mentally played out one scene or another, in your head - then you are already a filmmaker. No further training, education or preparation is necessary. You think, therefore you are....and thinking as a filmmaker makes you one. I can really think of no more positive message than that.
In his book he also emphasizes that as the idea is tantamount - it is, after all, the reason filmmakers get into the business in the first place....it's why anyone would choose to embark upon such a venture. All for the sake of the idea, what the filmmaker wants most to portray....their own vision, which can be most intensely personal. At least, that is what I have found. And in his book, Rodriguez further explains that nothing is worse than the filmmaker, or an artist of any stripe, having to compromise their own creative vision for someone else, or for any other exterior issues or concerns. The other stuff can always be worked out, but the *idea* is truly tantamount. And nothing should compromise that, because everything else that may be of any concern - it can always be worked out, or around. But without the idea itself there in the first place - then there is truly nothing, no real way to go about it at all. Without the idea, and keeping that paramount - what would the point be?
Thus, as is his mindset, and much as he seeks to get across in "Rebel Without A Crew" - the veracity, and idealism, and creative truth of the film idea should not by necessity be compromised. There is no need for it to happen in the first place, because all other extraneous issues can always be worked around. That is, in truth, how the process happens in the first place. First, the idea....and everything that is to be hashed out along those lines, all moments of inspiration, all brainstorming....and all of it necessary. After that - any issues surrounding location shooting, permits or goodness only knows what else. That can always be dealt with in the course of production, I've always been sure of that. And such things, if they are indeed of a hyper-critical nature - though by no means something to freak out about, I've always felt - then they can be worked out in the course of things, certainly. But neither should they compromise the artistic veracity or integrity of the film idea in the first place.
The old saying tells us that "the play's the thing". And in this case - the film is the thing. And after that - everything will be just fine. That has always been my mindset, my main positive focus, and that's why I will not worry unduly over other things. The last thing that should ever be allowed to occur, after all, is that they interfere, stifle, or in any way cause hesitation or concern, with the idea that is the crux of all things. And this is why I ascribe so positively, enthusiastically and hearily to the Robert Rodriguez School of Filmmaking....because as he puts it, and of anyone *he* would certainly know - then it only proves to me what I've instinctively felt all along. I *am* a born filmmaker. I can sense it, feel it, taste it. And when his words only serve to reinforce my gut instinct, well, it is the most positive encouragement of all....a true reinforcement. And anyone who's been a real born filmmaker can only be further encouraged by it.
"Now what about all the basic technical knowledge you need to actually make a film? I think some famous filmmaker once said that all the technical stuff you need to know in order to make movies can be learned in a week. He was being generous. You can learn it in ten minutes." -- Robert Rodriguez --
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*giggles* I just realized that this little fanfilm thread is starting to feel like my own personal diary, of sorts....yeah, an immensely public and online diary, to be sure, but a fanfilming diary nonetheless. And that's not such a bad thing, in my book. I know it helps *me*....talking these things out, if only to yourself one quiet eve or whilst walking down the street, or roaming through the park or suchlike - it truly does wonders, that's what I've found. Having an outlet always helps with that.
I have noticed a rather odd, confounding, and dare I say disconcerting trend in some Jedi-Sith centered fanfilms....well, the ones where Jedi play a large part, anyway. Not that there is anything wrong with that in itself, of course - heck, no! It's what *mine* is about in the first place....at least, perhaps at the very crux of it....but there's *ever*-so-much more to it than that. As there is with any good, pithy story to be told....but I digress. In some Jedi-centric fanfilms, then, what I've noticed is that people - they seem to play the Jedi as near-emotionless, automatons in many ways....as if they can't display any real emotion at all, as if it would be something far beyond their Code to do so. In other words, it seems like a great many people, in their fanfilms, treat the Jedi as if they're emotionally-stifled Vulcans. And there *is* something seriously wrong with that!
We should of course know by now that just because the Jedi, or at least some of them as we have seen, try to be stoic, calm, collected and all that....there are also times when that simply doesn't apply. Because, after all, being stoic does *not* mean being devoid of all emotional response. And it's those moments of passionate outburst, be it rage, pain, hate, sadness, joy or whatever....it's those emotional crescendoes that make the people, in this case the Jedi, *real*. Because they're not robots or Vulcans....to a one, they are all creatures of emotion. Yes, maybe widely-varying creatures, but beings of an intrinsically emotional nature nonetheless. And *that's* what I like to see, and indeed, would very much like to see more of in fanfilms. And by remarking upon it thusly, I am to no small extent referring to my own project as well.
Emotion and the Jedi are not two separate, disparate concepts, never able to be joined. In fact, quite the contrary. And if a person doubted that, they need only look so far as the final duel between Obi-Wan and Maul in TPM; the lip-curling snarl of rage and hate that Obi-Wan gave....the way he charged out from behind the laser gates....*pouncing*, really, like a wild animal....crying out in sheerest fury as he attacked....*that* was but one of the many emotionally powerful moments, and thus that made it all that more apparent indeed that Jedi are not at all removed or distant from their emotions. In fact, they are wholly entwined with them, and *that* is what I want to see more of in fanfilms. Real feeling in there....I know it can be done. I've seen it in some, and very much want to see it in more. It's more than possible, it's more than likely, it's entirely natural....and the right thing. And I can't wait to see more of it.
"...The truth was I had been a filmmaker ever since the day I had closed my eyes and picture myself making movies. The rest was inevitable. So you don't want to be a filmmaker, you *are* a filmmaker." -- Robert Rodriguez --
(I know it's been a while, but what the heck, just bear with me) I actually had something of a major brainstorm today (whilst down at the beach, oddly enough, make of that what you will) - I was thinking that it might be neat, almost as an experiment, if you will, for us to try our hand at a vignette-style piece, if you will....something to play with, at least to start with - something short, but look at it this way, it would be an introduction to the whole scene for everyone, I would think.
What I was thinking of, then, is just that - a very short fanfilm vignette (it's the only word that keeps springing to mind) - maybe two or three minutes, something along those lines....no dialogue, no sound, at least that's what I'm thinking of at present; instead, it would be set entirely to music. I have a piece of score music from "Buffy" that I think would work *very* well for this particular idea....it's very frenetic, predatory and threatening....perfectly appropriate, in my purview, and for sure when I listen to it I can see the whole scene unfolding in my mind's eye - and surely that says something, right there.
Tell you what I'll do, then - I'll try to flesh it out a little more and get at least some of the major, essential points written down....not that I'm gonna forget any of it, mind you, it's all perfectly vivid and right there, front-and-centre, in my head -and then, perhaps....just perhaps?....we'll see what we can do about it, yes? I just thought that as such ventures went, a little experiment to help us get in there, help us get started with the whole process, so to speak....for sure it would be fun and very useful. Entertaining too, yeah, and did I mention all the fun?
Oh, perhaps, you may be thinking that two or three minutes isn't long enough to really get a story or the true crux of the idea across....yet if done right - and may I humbly say, with what *I'm* thinking of, my idea - then I think it most definitely can be done. I'd really like to try! So, who's in? ::makes encouraging, c'mon-you-know-you-want-to motions::
obi-wan_kurtnobi Jedi Knight
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This is an excellent idea and the lengnth of the film is not so important as the depth of your imagine. You can count on me for any supportb you may need a day shooting is never a waste especailly if at the end of the day you have a peice of film and more so if lightsabers are involved
Thanks for all the encouragement and good vibes - hey, I'll take all that I can get in any case. And as I mentioned in that other thread, as of earlier tonight I've got the whole thing roughly blocked out, jotted down in at least the most basic form....and as it stands I think it's quite clear enough. Well, in my own head it certainly is, anyway; admittedly more may be required in order to translate that vision from my own head, down to everyone else....'cause it sure won't do much good if *I'm* the only one who sees it and knows what I want, what I've got in mind, after all. Unfortunately, that doesn't help so much, I know....
Of course, I knew from the outset that the length of it, or lack thereof, didn't matter so much as what was actually *in* it....the content, in other words. And if nothing else, I feel that it's a good thing in general to do to experiment....to kind of spread one's wings and take a little test flight first, straying at least a short ways from the nest, one bit at a time, until you're ready to take that big long flight clear across the Atlantic Ocean. And, yeah....it has lightsabers. Or one at least, anyway. Aside from the fact that's just how the idea *goes* and it's part-and-parcel of it....simply can't be otherwise....well, heck, I can only imagine as everyone's first thought is always "When do I get my own lightsaber?" - and, well, at least we're all on the same page there. And I wouldn't dream of denying *anyone*, myself included, that especial opportunity. Tee hee....
You know, I truly do love the syngergistic relationship between writing, in, say, coming up with a certain scene - and the music that you may use as inspiration, to help you set the proper mood or some such thing. Sometimes, as it turns out, the scene-as-brainstormed-and-written influences or dictates the music you want to use therein....but other times, as in this case, it's the music itself that offers the main inspiration....the fuel to the fire, as it were. And don't you just *love* it when it all falls so marvellously into place like that? Whee!
Update on the short vignette (and if there's a better word for it, a more accurate one, please tell me....otherwise I'll just keep being wrong and nobody wants that!) piece....I think I've got a good, solid idea of the music I want to use for it; aside from that "Buffy" score music I mentioned earlier, a relatively short piece in itself - I've come across thirty or forty seconds or so, a great cue, from the ESB expanded soundtrack (2 CD set). I have a couple of other things planned as well, and I'll bring the CDs and such with me on Saturday so you can all get a proper listen and feel for it....sound good? I hope so.
However, what I actually wanted to report was that as of last night, I got some more of my major fanfilm script hammered out....part of a scene that had really been troubling me, but the way I finally managed to work it, I *think* it's okay....about damn time, too. Yeah, yeah, I know that a few lines or even part of a scene, some dialogue here and there, it may not seem like much at first....but over time these little efforts *do* add up. And I figure I'll take some comfort in that. Besides....I feel like I need to have some more stuff to show you guys, to prove that I'm still making actual progress....that only seems fair.
Master_Dao_Rin Jedi Padawan
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- Mar 17, 2002
Pointers? Help? You betcha! Now that you've made the offer I am bound to call on it. It's good to know it's out there for me. Mostly, though, now I just hope it'll sound as good to anyone else as it does to *me*. Admittedly it all comes together so nice and smooth and oh-so-pretty-lookin' in my head....but, yeah, I'm aware this doesn't help anyone else. Which is where the struggle can come in....and, of course, why I await the pitch session, as it were, with a certain amount of healthy trepidation. Not that I think you'll all tear it to shreds, I know you're not the type....see, you're all good people - but all the same, well....what can I say, I just want it all to come off well.
Here's the link to the site I was looking for earlier...of course as soon as I got home I though of how to find it...they have some good pics, but really I've gotta get you over here to do some perusing of my photo albums...anyway, check out the photo gallary at http://www.rivtow.com/realestate/westbay/
I'd make it a link if I knew how -_-;;
Been thinking again this evening....yes, yes, I know that's a hazardous endeavour to say the least, but bear with me. I've been musing about another exercise that might be fun to try - at least, *I* sure think it would. It's sort of a Buffy/SW thing....if you watch "Buffy" and are at all into it, as I am, then I'll be able to explain it a lot better. I'm not trying to be overly mysterious or cryptic here....I'm simply saying that if you're at all familiar with "Buffy", then what I'm (conceivably) proposing will undoubtedly make much more sense. We hope....
P.S. By the way....I've been trying to get in touch with our very own Saber Caddy (Jer) of late, but it seems like he hasn't been by the boards in a while....he's still around, right? Everything's copasetic there? I'm just wondering....I was hoping to kind of tweak his brain, as it were - in a good way, I assure you - and get 'im involved, possibly and hopefully, with my vignette project....hey, you're all my group and, as such, you are a resource pool that, be warned, I *will* dip into as need be. Just so's you know. But, yeah....anyone had any word from Jer of late? Suggestions and suchlike are welcome....)
Rani Veko Jedi Master
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This topic is being continued in another thread, and can be found by clicking here.
I have requested this thread be locked (but not deleted), to avoid possible confusion, redundancy, and the need to (in the author's words) "scroll through a huge series of posts in order to get to the new stuff at the bottom".
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