Lit [Fantasy Flight Games] Because it just keeps getting better

Discussion in 'Literature' started by The Loyal Imperial, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. GrandAdmiralJello Community and Lit moderator person

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Nov 28, 2000
    star 10
    lol I'd forgotten about those! I used to always imagine them looking like that, in the good old days.
    Last edited by GrandAdmiralJello, Jun 28, 2013
  2. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 23, 2005
    star 5
    They just make a model kit:
    [IMG]
  3. GrandAdmiralJello Community and Lit moderator person

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Nov 28, 2000
    star 10
    Are those based on any illustrations, like from WEG or something? They remind me a lot of BSG's Vipers :p
    Jedi Merkurian likes this.
  4. Gorefiend Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2004
    star 5

    Sadly WEG never showed Mark 1 Headhunters :/
  5. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Aug 10, 2005
    star 5
    I thought WEG did:
    [IMG]

    And then there is this interesting variant:
    [IMG]

    And on the fan side of things:

    [IMG]
    [IMG]
  6. GrandAdmiralJello Community and Lit moderator person

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Nov 28, 2000
    star 10
    Yeah the WEG ones look right to me ... I just happened to read the passage in Wedge's Gamble over lunch which mentions that the triple blasters were wingtip mounted, meaning that the fan model posted above is wrong.
    Jedi Merkurian likes this.
  7. Gorefiend Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2004
    star 5
    Afaik those are IRDs
  8. blackmyron Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Oct 29, 2005
    star 5
    No, the caption for the picture indicates they are the original Z-95s - the IRDs have a separate illustration a couple pages back in the sourcebook.
    Jedi Merkurian likes this.
  9. Gorefiend Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2004
    star 5

    Now that you mention it... just means WEG was even more awesome :D
  10. Darth_Culator Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Dec 10, 2005
    star 2
    Not seeing 'swing-wings' there, but I'll take it.
    Of course, how those and AF4s are both Z-95s is another question entirely.
    Probably about as related as a 1964 Ford Mustang and a 2013 Ford Mustang. :p
  11. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 23, 2005
    star 5
    I used to think that too, actually.
  12. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Aug 10, 2005
    star 5
    Myself as well. Very similar designs. More similar than these to later Z-95s anyway

    Something else I have also wondered about. I wonder how long they were making Z-95s anyway. Maybe long enough for the above to slowly but surely morph into what we know? Though, if so, then it would be strange for X-Wings to be a separate class.
  13. Gorefiend Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2004
    star 5

    Z-95ers are already considered an older design by TMP and the AF4 was the last design model by Incom/Supro which split their partnership in 22 BBY after some 150 years of cooperation. Though people kept building variants and knock offs later on (the Grand Army Z-95er is properly one of those variant designs, though could already have been ordered when the Clone Army was being trained). Also since we know Ashgard was part of the design team and properly born sometime around 70 BBY and likely at earliest in his 20es when helping finishing the Z-95er, around ~ 50 BBY seems likely for the introduction of the Mark 1. The X-Wing was build without Supro and the S-Foils considered a rather drastic innovation to the design, so likely the reason they called it something else, whilst it really seem to still just be a redesigned Z-95er.
  14. blackmyron Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Oct 29, 2005
    star 5
    The short story "The Crystal" implies the original run was around 37 BBY, but there were already newer versions by 34 BBY. At least one source noted that the main Alliance fleet didn't use the Mark Is.
  15. Gorefiend Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2004
    star 5
    Hmm 15 years sound kind of short for how widespread they are, though granted it is the period were everyone and their mother was busy stockpiling weapons.
  16. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 23, 2005
    star 5
    We could easily retcon the Crystal and Seti Ashgard's invomvelemt to not be the original swing wing Mk I, but various newer versions of the Z-95. And it is possible that the design grew so much that it was effectively several different designs with just a similar shape and style sharing a name for brand recognition, like how the F/A-18E/F Superhornet is still a F/A-18, despite only sharing the forward fuselage with the A/B model.
  17. OutlawTorn Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    Jun 30, 2013
    Hi! I'm new here, but just as interested as you guys in Star Wars RPG systems!

    Damn... I was pretending to start a Star Wars: Saga Edition campaign this Winter. I was gonna buy a ****load of miniatures, some cool tiles for mapmaking, books(my players aren`t that well informed about the SW Universe!) but... *sigh*... I was looking through the Beginner's Set of this new system from Fantasy Flight and I must say I was really impressed with the quality of their stuff! The price is also very cheap( around 20 bucks I think) which was another thing that tempted me to buy it!

    Now I'm confused about spending a load of money in Saga Edition stuff if I could just wait a lil bit more and buy stuff from this new system.

    I must ask: Has anyone bought/played/ had any contact with the Star Wars material published by Fantasy Flight ? You guys think it's worth waiting till the end of the year, to see if the system is good enough?

    Lemme know through here or send me a PM, pretty please :) !

    Ta!
    Last edited by OutlawTorn, Jul 2, 2013
  18. Darth_Garak Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 28, 2005
    star 3
    I've played the beginner adventure. Be aware you don't have the full rules, just enough for this adventure and to get an idea of how this works. Personally I found it to be very fun.
  19. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 23, 2005
    star 5
    FFG is worth it for the artwork alone.
  20. Gorefiend Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2004
    star 5

    Sage Edition is not really worth it, as D20 in general is a pretty terrible playing system, at least imho. The FF rules are easy to use and intended to leave the GM a lot of fudge room, so I would rather recommend it (once it comes out that is, as it is still in Beta) then Saga, though if your really willing to sink tons of money into it, try to hunt down D6 instead as it is simply awesome to play. :)
    OutlawTorn likes this.
  21. Darth_Culator Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Dec 10, 2005
    star 2
    Trimmed to the essential part and QFT. I don't even play RPGs or card games, but WEG and Decipher remain without peers. FFG appears to be working hard to catch up, though. :p
  22. Gorefiend Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2004
    star 5

    What I especially interesting is that FFG seems to favor the players having Fringe characters, not Rebels like WEG would usually take, or Jedi like WOTC seemed to always wanted people to play and also like WEG it focuses on the Rebellion Era.
  23. CeiranHarmony Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 10, 2004
    star 5
    got core rulebook and gamemaster screen today... absolutely WOW
  24. GrandAdmiralJello Community and Lit moderator person

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Nov 28, 2000
    star 10
    Core Rulebook is out at last? How's the flavor text? How's the art?
  25. CeiranHarmony Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 10, 2004
    star 5
    textflavor: well spiced!
    art: Fleetjunkies will kill to see it! and that I really mean!


    BRANDNEW GALAXY MAP and information *nerdgasm*


    will post a detailed full review to the sw sourcebooks facebookpage as soon as I am done with reading that gem of a book!
    Last edited by CeiranHarmony, Jul 3, 2013
    Cronal and Gorefiend like this.