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Lit Fantasy Flight Games and the Star Wars TCG

Discussion in 'Literature' started by The Loyal Imperial, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    lol I'd forgotten about those! I used to always imagine them looking like that, in the good old days.
     
  2. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    They just make a model kit:
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  3. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Are those based on any illustrations, like from WEG or something? They remind me a lot of BSG's Vipers :p
     
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  4. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Sadly WEG never showed Mark 1 Headhunters :/
     
  5. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    I thought WEG did:
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    And then there is this interesting variant:
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    And on the fan side of things:

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  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yeah the WEG ones look right to me ... I just happened to read the passage in Wedge's Gamble over lunch which mentions that the triple blasters were wingtip mounted, meaning that the fan model posted above is wrong.
     
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  7. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Afaik those are IRDs
     
  8. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    No, the caption for the picture indicates they are the original Z-95s - the IRDs have a separate illustration a couple pages back in the sourcebook.
     
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  9. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Now that you mention it... just means WEG was even more awesome :D
     
  10. Darth_Culator

    Darth_Culator Jedi Master star 2

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    Not seeing 'swing-wings' there, but I'll take it.
    Of course, how those and AF4s are both Z-95s is another question entirely.
    Probably about as related as a 1964 Ford Mustang and a 2013 Ford Mustang. :p
     
  11. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    I used to think that too, actually.
     
  12. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Myself as well. Very similar designs. More similar than these to later Z-95s anyway

    Something else I have also wondered about. I wonder how long they were making Z-95s anyway. Maybe long enough for the above to slowly but surely morph into what we know? Though, if so, then it would be strange for X-Wings to be a separate class.
     
  13. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Z-95ers are already considered an older design by TMP and the AF4 was the last design model by Incom/Supro which split their partnership in 22 BBY after some 150 years of cooperation. Though people kept building variants and knock offs later on (the Grand Army Z-95er is properly one of those variant designs, though could already have been ordered when the Clone Army was being trained). Also since we know Ashgard was part of the design team and properly born sometime around 70 BBY and likely at earliest in his 20es when helping finishing the Z-95er, around ~ 50 BBY seems likely for the introduction of the Mark 1. The X-Wing was build without Supro and the S-Foils considered a rather drastic innovation to the design, so likely the reason they called it something else, whilst it really seem to still just be a redesigned Z-95er.
     
  14. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    The short story "The Crystal" implies the original run was around 37 BBY, but there were already newer versions by 34 BBY. At least one source noted that the main Alliance fleet didn't use the Mark Is.
     
  15. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Hmm 15 years sound kind of short for how widespread they are, though granted it is the period were everyone and their mother was busy stockpiling weapons.
     
  16. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    We could easily retcon the Crystal and Seti Ashgard's invomvelemt to not be the original swing wing Mk I, but various newer versions of the Z-95. And it is possible that the design grew so much that it was effectively several different designs with just a similar shape and style sharing a name for brand recognition, like how the F/A-18E/F Superhornet is still a F/A-18, despite only sharing the forward fuselage with the A/B model.
     
  17. OutlawTorn

    OutlawTorn Jedi Youngling

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    Hi! I'm new here, but just as interested as you guys in Star Wars RPG systems!

    Damn... I was pretending to start a Star Wars: Saga Edition campaign this Winter. I was gonna buy a ****load of miniatures, some cool tiles for mapmaking, books(my players aren`t that well informed about the SW Universe!) but... *sigh*... I was looking through the Beginner's Set of this new system from Fantasy Flight and I must say I was really impressed with the quality of their stuff! The price is also very cheap( around 20 bucks I think) which was another thing that tempted me to buy it!

    Now I'm confused about spending a load of money in Saga Edition stuff if I could just wait a lil bit more and buy stuff from this new system.

    I must ask: Has anyone bought/played/ had any contact with the Star Wars material published by Fantasy Flight ? You guys think it's worth waiting till the end of the year, to see if the system is good enough?

    Lemme know through here or send me a PM, pretty please :) !

    Ta!
     
  18. Darth_Garak

    Darth_Garak Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I've played the beginner adventure. Be aware you don't have the full rules, just enough for this adventure and to get an idea of how this works. Personally I found it to be very fun.
     
  19. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    FFG is worth it for the artwork alone.
     
  20. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Sage Edition is not really worth it, as D20 in general is a pretty terrible playing system, at least imho. The FF rules are easy to use and intended to leave the GM a lot of fudge room, so I would rather recommend it (once it comes out that is, as it is still in Beta) then Saga, though if your really willing to sink tons of money into it, try to hunt down D6 instead as it is simply awesome to play. :)
     
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  21. Darth_Culator

    Darth_Culator Jedi Master star 2

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    Trimmed to the essential part and QFT. I don't even play RPGs or card games, but WEG and Decipher remain without peers. FFG appears to be working hard to catch up, though. :p
     
  22. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    What I especially interesting is that FFG seems to favor the players having Fringe characters, not Rebels like WEG would usually take, or Jedi like WOTC seemed to always wanted people to play and also like WEG it focuses on the Rebellion Era.
     
  23. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    got core rulebook and gamemaster screen today... absolutely WOW
     
  24. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Core Rulebook is out at last? How's the flavor text? How's the art?
     
  25. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    textflavor: well spiced!
    art: Fleetjunkies will kill to see it! and that I really mean!


    BRANDNEW GALAXY MAP and information *nerdgasm*


    will post a detailed full review to the sw sourcebooks facebookpage as soon as I am done with reading that gem of a book!
     
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