Lit Fate of the Jedi issues...

What is the point of this statement in regards to my comment. I clearly said I didn't think Niathal would be a good candidate. Was this meant to agree with me? Or not? I was simply setting up my argument for why Daala was bad regardless of Niathal. In other words, I wasn't comparing Niathal against Daala, I was just saying Daala was bad and Niathal shouldn't be considered either.

Good gosh, do you not get the point. Who cares if the metaphor is Hitler (in regards to actual same degree of damaged caused) or some other evil despot that KILLED a lot of people and ransacked other sovereign places as an ENEMY. They make the history books and are usually remembered regardless of 23 years or 70 years. No one likes that person and would accept them back. You'd say I don't like the current person (Jedi) but I don't want that other person (Daala/insert real world other evil person that is correct metaphor here) either.

And one can be said fan w/o choosing a "Hitler" like (see above comment in same post) person to lead. That's what it is about.

Jw, why not? Aren't directly present until Legacy? Why? Bc Legacy comics say so? Were they written before FOTJ thus locking FOTJ out of using them? And if that is so, just once again, what a waste of space in LOTF, one or two chapters total on them, they appear, then disappear. Also, see the below quote in this post.

 

I don't know if we're still talking about the series chronologically (one book before the other). If we are, and in case anyone hasn't read them...

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does anyone else think that Vestara is working for/with the One Sith by the time of Crucible? I think she is. Her involvement could be Darth Krayt's "suggestion." The Jedi already know about her, so why risk using non-Sith intermediaries or expose any of the One Sith themselves?

 

That said I do wish we had gotten more one eyes and one sith before legends ended


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The whole point of the One Sith is that they're supposed to be super-secret and unknown, without the Jedi or anyone having the slightest idea that there are Sith out there, until about 130 years in the future.

Legacy's first issues, that include the reveal of the One Sith to the galaxy and the Jedi, were written before Legacy of the Force.

It would have been better if Denning didn't try to bring them into LOTF or FOTJ at all. Especially since Denning said he wanted to try to contradict Legacy as much as possible without actually directly contradicting (because LFL wouldn't allow him to). Just like how Denning wanted to contradict the NJO to suit his own ideas.

 

Yeah Denning, just wanted to do his own thing.

Maybe he should have written Galaxy of Fear

Also just got the point in Backlash where

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Daala has her dinner date with Bwua'tu

ugh, I mean I hate both of them, but still.

I thought you had some standards Bwua'tu

 

86 years I think-the one sith openly revealed themselves in 130 ABY.

 

Pretty sure it was 128 ABY.

 

I found some better pictures of Abeloth...

 

Well, no sleep tonight... That lady always gave me the creeps. O_O

 

Well we know that the war began in 127 ABY and the one Sith revealed themselves during the war and assisted the empire.

We also know the Jedi and GA did relatively well in the first half or so. So the Sith revealed themselves in 128-129 ABY for sure.

 

True. Plus, Darth Maladi and Zenoc were the ones who sabotaged the Ossus Project. Then the Yuuzhan Vong were framed for spreading the vongspawn disease. Gotta say, I felt really bad for the Vong because they were trying to make amends to the galaxy.

 

The Vong get credit for trying, I think that shows that as a society they were moving towards reform and redemption.

 

I totally agree. I believe some people can change for the better.

 

Now, if only we got to see more than just Vongerella, Onimi and Darth Vua use the Force.
What if we got a story where the Yuuzhan Vong met the Silentium and Abominor again?

 

Oooh, that would be interesting!

 

So I just googled Darth Vua

WHY WAS HE NEVER A VILLAIN!

Seriously this character is sooo much better then Abby.

 

Could have tried corrupting Zonama Sekot, the Bothan Ar'krai, Tahiri taking up Anakin's saber on Kashyyk. Etc.

 

yeah the post NJO galaxy had a lot of places for the story to go.

Denning however ignored them and decided to do dru....I mean his own thing

 

It's easy I think for the readers to bash Denning, and he does deserve a lot of the blame I think for the post NJO's problems, missed opportunities and creative mistakes(though not everyone will agree on what these are or whether or not they were mistakes) but Lucasfilm allowed it to happen.

In credit to denning-he at the very least had an idea where he imagined the story going-it may have thrown out stuff set up by the end of the NJO and so on, but he had a vision and was willing to advocate for it.

Did anyone else have a vision as to where they wanted the story to go? And if so were they willing to push for their ideas as enthusiastically as Denning did for his?

From what I gather denning has a strong and persuasive personality-and could often convince others of his perspective, maybe what was needed was someone who could have counterbalanced him in the writer's room. Besides Traviss that is.

One thing I would be interested in learning about was what went on in the writer's room between DNT and Crucible-what those discussions were like and what they entailed.

 

Very good input, Invictus. And that's the beauty about being a writer. Of course, you must plan and create a good storyline with good, compelling characters. Characters we can root for and remember, as well as the antagonists. This is why I love Star Wars. Especially from the old EU.

 

hey reading has gone slow, I'm only a couple of chapters into Backlash, but a couple points from 2nd chapter (maybe I overthink these things....)

1) the convo b/t Cighal and Jaina where it's pointed out that the galaxy has a cloudy view on the Sith….once again.....why???? the convo even likens that people see Sith as "another philosophical order, little different from the Jedi", I would argue that they know the difference, they just blame the Jedi for the Sith bc Sith often come from fallen Jedi, but they do not view them as the same, they KNOW the Sith's actions are pure evil....and if a whole bunch of them are back and gonna try to take over the galaxy they would definitely want the Jedi's help/involvement, the notion that non-Jedi would defeat them is laughable (even to the GFFA themselves I would think/hope)

2) I'm glad Zekk is finally back, although his absence and sudden reappearance, and weird story of survival all just...…..it's a fairly common theme in SW, but to me.....it just is off-putting....I mean no one even seemed to care he was gone, never talked about him, and now he's back, and supposedly he's been back.....I also hope this isn't just a small cameo bc I liked Zekk

3) also, I know this is another reoccurring thing in SW, and something I've complained about before, but I definitely get tired of every book "reintroducing" people we all already know.....I know they do it bc of possible new readers, but this is the 3rd book in a book series, and just saying, they don't do this on tv, I'm not reintroduced to Gibbs every episode of NCIS.....so no, I don't want to hear about who Allana actually is at the beginning of every book of this series, I know who she is as does everyone reading this series

4) the timeline also seems off, it mentions how Han/Leia/Allana are above Dathomir about to land and say they need to call Zekk, then they are outside and getting ready to go out in the wilds of the planet to try to find Luke and Ben and it mentions how Zekk is already there.....unless they waited an awful long time landing and then going outside (which I find unlikely considering they were there to try to find and help Luke/Ben) that's just.....off too to me

 

I couldn't agree more. Zekk is freakin' awesome! ^_^

But yeah, a lot of things seemed to be off too. Continuity error, me thinks?

 

his idea was more focus on the temple, more death more darkness and more of his pet characters being shilled. I feel like Star Wars a whole could do better.

being good at arguing or convincing are good skills. But he failed to convince myself and a number other people who read his books, that his ideas were good.

He is idea was 1. Turn the hero of the last series evil and kill him. 2. Shill his ocs. 3. introduce some force god, then retcon it into a show that was being made as they were writing.

To quote Tony Stark



His plan and vision for Star Wars was not suited for expanding the Universe or what was needed after NJO.

I also think the editorial decision to do the 9 book thing rather then trilogies was a flawed one.

 

I can't stop thinking in this book how Han/Leia are horrible parents/grandparents....

1) they leave an 8 yr old alone on a ship for a week
2) they leave an 8 yr old they know likes to go off on her own alone on a ship for a week
3) they get someone else to secretly watch her so she "won't get in trouble"
4) they don't even tell the droids about that someone watching so that everything can be coordinated safely (hence the droids are suspicious that they are being watched, which we know will lead to DRAMA)