The problem is that women don't KNOW that they're as good as protecting themselves. Because they were always taught that acting violent was something that BOYS do, and it they did act 'outside their specified gender role" corrective measures (usually verbal) were taken to ensure that they didn't act that way. "I'd say about half the women who admitted this insecurity were either raised by single moms, or very pro-active families. " Uh, what's a "pro-active' family? My guess would be that a lot of them were raised in very traditional families with a very domineering father. So who's right? The sad thing is that the people these 'insecure' women are afraid of are in the same gender class as the so called 'female protectors'. Kind of ironic, don'tcha think? ----------- By the way, has anyone mentioned Star Wars or TPM recently?