Fighting the darkside with the darkside IS an option

This is not a theory, it is an absolute fact based upon canonical sources within the EU.

Case Study #1:

The era of the Knights of the Old Republic were supposed to be the time of the most powerful and wise Jedi who had ever lived...

Strange then that across the centuries, they couldn't deal with stopping a SINGLE rogue Sith Spirit, that of Freedon Nadd.

The Jedi couldn't even deal with Nadd when he was ALIVE, let alone when he was dead.

This spirit, in effect, caused the Onderon Beast Wars, the Freedon Nadd uprising, and turned Exar Kun, Aleema and Sato to the darkside (triggering the Sith War). All of them were origionally innocents with perhaps a few personal flaws. Even with his body crushed and dying, Kun still reached out to his old master for help... which was blocked by Nadd who then overwhelmed Jedi MASTER Vodo in his spirit form. Earlier during the uprising, a room full of Jedi could do nothing to stop this spirit from completing its plans. Nothing.

Essentially, a dead man was kicking the Jedi's butts in his spirit form. How humiliating. Not even Palpatine could do that.

How then was Nadd finally dealt with? Simple, he underestimated his own student. Kun felt utter hatred towards Nadd for manipulating him despite his foolishness. Using the raw power of the Sith, Exar Kun obliterated the spirit of Nadd. So complete was his destruction it was refered to as Nadd's "second death."

Freedon Nadd NEVER returned after that.

One theme in Star Wars which is overlooked is that of evil ultimately destroying itself. The ancient Sith never got their act together enough to take over the galaxy. Yes, they were MORE powerful in pure strength than the latter Sith, yet they NEVER suceeded. Why? Because they fought and killed each other, sparing the Jedi a great deal of the work.

It is completely debatible whether Jedi intervention had any long term impact on the containment and pacification of the ancient Sith. The only time where the Jedi actually WON against the Sith was after the Sith THEMSELVES had destroyed the most resilient members of their own order.

 

Evil destroying evil begets more evil.

That's why it's not an option for *heroes*...

 

Yet at the same time, Jedi Master Arca admits that despite the Jedi's best efforts, the darkside has never been fully eliminated. If evil destroying evil begets more evil, then so does good destroying evil. The light by its definition cannot fully extingush the dark. The argument is flawed. As long as the Jedi exsist, so will the Sith, with even MORE loss of life than before. Look at the Jedi Civil War and the Great Sith War for evidence of this. Its nice to have Jedi around, sure. But can you count on them to keep the Sith in check at all times? The answer to that is no. The darkside was at best contained by the old Jedi, but never eliminated. Therefore, is it not best to have the evil of the darkside focused in on themselves?

The Sith defeated the Jedi with only Sith one master and a few of his pawns when they realised the danger of the Jedi was *greater* than that of their fellow Sith Lords. Meanwhile, the hundreds of mega powerful Sith Lords sat in their corner of the galaxy destroying themselves until the Republic stumbled upon them.

Which conflict ravaged the galaxy multiple times over? Good vs Evil or Evil vs Evil?

 

and the sith won, they succeeded, in the NEW SITH WARS, 2000-1000 years before ANH they ruled the galaxy, this is prequel trilogy facts George Lucas himself stated!

 

Um, aren't they all just human beings? Is anything really dualistic? And does that mean that the divide is necessarily down the middle.

The universe is a sponge-cake with a cherry filling.

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Mmmmm... cherry.

 

Well... if it worked for Revan

 

That's going to be case study #2.

 

and turned Exar Kun, Aleema and Sato to the darkside (triggering the Sith War).

Satal and Aleema were not turned. They freely sought out Sith teachings so they could gain power from them. And they accepted Nadd's dark side teachings without care about the fact that they were of the dark side because it meant they were getting the power they wanted. Kun was turned.

 

Nadd prodded them along pretty heavily though. They sought the dark powers of the Sith without really realising what they were getting themselves in to.

 

Sure.. then the Jedi who fought with the Dark side became the darksider himself.

Happened... oh 2-3 times? The very use of anger and hatred is a dangerous thing.

Power corrupts.. especially the supernatural type.

 

In the opinion of me there is not be ok to use darkside

 

"Sure.. then the Jedi who fought with the Dark side became the darksider himself.

Happened... oh 2-3 times? The very use of anger and hatred is a dangerous thing.

Power corrupts.. especially the supernatural type."

Thank you for further illustrating my point, the lightside has had very little sucess ultimately in battling the darkside. The logistics of the Sith's greatest defeats either came from traitors to the cause (Darth Vader, Ulic Qel Droma, Darth Revan) or from mad lusting for power (Freedon Nadd, Naga Sadow). Really only Obi Wan Kenobi, Mace Windu, Yoda a few others across time were able to fight the darkside head on and defeat it without sucumbing to it (Even Luke Skywalker fell for a time). Many other Jedi either underestimated the power of the Darkside, were killed by it, or coverted.

Most of the Siths worst defeats were handed to them by their own.

 

I understand and agree with what you're saying about infighting among the Sith, but what are you saying about the Jedi? Should they delve into the dark, or are you seeing the Jedi as many people seem to see the UN, as well-intentioned but ultimately ineffective? Are you suggesting some sort of "fix" for the Jedi, or are we just talking about the Sith here? Do the Jedi, in your mind, have a place in the big picture? Just because the Sith are better than anyone else at defeating their own doesn't mean the Jedi shouldn't be there.

 

The U.N. comparison is somewhat apt, in the sense the Jedi limit themselves in the way they respond to the Sith. That, "never for attack" part of the Jedi philosophy is quite short sighted. All an enemy has to do is what the Mandalorians did. Built up a massive force outside of Republic jurisdiction and launch an assault from there.

Moreover, as we've seen. The Jedi do not have a good track record at following their own teachings. Far more Jedi have gone to the darkside than Sith to the light. In fact, the Sith began origionally as Jedi rebels, and most of the most powerful Sith Lords in history were all ex-Jedi.

This isn't to suggest the Jedi just pack up and get themselves out of the peacekeeping business, but they need to seriously reevaluate what they've been doing for the past 4,000 years or so against the Sith. The Sith have kept themselves in check more than the Jedi, and that's bad.

 

Those with the most success against the Sith are not those who've fallen, but those who've fallen and returned. And I?m not talking about doing some flirting like Mara or Quinlan or Jaina did, but actually committing and becoming the apprentice of the Sith Lord or becoming the Sith Lord themselves. When they truly fall, have all of their illusions about decency and kindness and goodness stripped away, and still are able to find the strength in themselves to return to the light, they become truly great Jedi. Yoda was right: the dark side does dominate their destinies, because it falls to them to hold it back and to turn it back.

 

An excellent point, which will be explored further with case study #2.

 

I don't agree with that the line of logic fight fire with fire in this case. The reality is the purpose of the jedi is not to destroy evil people but to protect innocents. The moment destroying your enemies becomes more important than saving lives is the moment you become just as bad as your enemies. That holds true in real life as much as in the star wars universe.

 

I think the RPG material out there, based on games, restrict how people approach certain views. It reminds me of that Seinfeld episode, where George wants to mentor that lady who needs guidance for the most basic thinking.

I don't understand a howl what a chaotic-good or neutral-evil is, for eg; but if I was writing a Dark Woman scene, who wants to lash out with genuine anger and remain untainted to Jedi ideals, I'll do it. Does it really violate anything?

 

They sought the dark powers of the Sith without really realising what they were getting themselves in to.

They may very well surprise you. I have no doubt in the least that they knew exactly what they were getting into.