Finn and Rey's Cat Cantina and Pizza Parlor (The Fanfic Social Thread)

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  1. yahiko Jedi Knight

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    I meant English as a native language in general. The author can be American, Canadian, or from a country in the Commonwealth.
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  2. Chyntuck Force Ghost

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    Which is probably why it translates so well to French and Greek :p
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  3. Joinerversers Jedi Master

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    page 182 of Stephen King's on writing. Quoting Lovecraft:

    "Nothing'...nothing'...the colour...it burns...cold an'wet...but it burns...it lived in the well...I seen it...a kind o' smoke...jest like the flowers last spring...the well shone at night...everything alive...sucked the life out of everything.in the stone..it must a'come in that stone...pizeened the whole place..dun't know what it wants...that round thing the men from the college dug out'n the stone...it was that same colour...jest the same, like the flowers an'plants ...seeds...l seen it the fust time this week...it beats down your mind an'then it gets ye...burns ye up...It comes from some place whar things ain't as they is here...one o' them professors said so..."

    lyrical?

    Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck quote paragraph.

    Some of the owner men were kind because they hated what they had to do, and
    some of them were angry because they hated to be cruel, and
    some of them were cold because they had long ago found that one could not be an owner unless one were cold.

    And all of them were caught in something larger than themselves.
    Some of them hated the mathematics that drove them, and
    some were afraid, and
    some worshiped the mathematics because it provided a refuge from thought and from feeling.

    If a bank or a finance company owned the land, the owner man said,
    The Bank—or the Company—needs—wants—insists—must have—as though
    the Bank or the Company were a monster, with thought and feeling,
    which had ensnared them.

    These last would take no responsibility for
    the banks or the companies because they were men and slaves,while
    the banks were machines and masters all at the same time.

    Some of the owner men were a little proud to be slaves to such cold and powerful masters.
    The owner men sat in the cars and explained.
    You know the land is poor. You've scrabbled at it long enough,

    God knows.
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  4. Joinerversers Jedi Master

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    or Latin :p
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  5. Chyntuck Force Ghost

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    True, although I think (hope) there isn't much of a readership for Conrad's works in Latin [face_laugh]
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  6. Gamiel Force Ghost

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  7. yahiko Jedi Knight

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    @Chyntuck: After reading Conrad's wiki, it appears he was fluent in French. Probably the reason why his style has some resonance for me :p

    @Joinerversers: Your quote from Lovecraft could be seen as "unfair" for some his fans (I'm not one of them). He wrote nice depictions (as far as I know in some French translations). But I agree he is maybe not the one to be cited for his "lyrism", although it is not really something I look for. This was just a term I used to emphasize on the "very good writing" aspect.

    The quote from Steinbeck looks like poetry and not really a novel. Is it really?
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  8. Joinerversers Jedi Master

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    I broke the lines into poetry form. :blush:
    but it is a quote from the novel.
    Chapter 5, page 21 of this pdf here (Apparently the novel is no longer in copyright.)
    http://nisbah.com/summer_reading/grapes_of_wrath_john_steinbeck2.pdf

    also @yahiko, when you say lyrism, I assume you mean lyricism? Like musical, rhyme, almost like a poem?
    also, I know the English language is ever evolving, but when I was in English class, the grammar taught said that every other language other than English is not capitalized. e.g. This polyglot from Spain is fluent in french, spanish, german and English.
    But maybe things are different in 2017? Any English teacher here?
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  9. yahiko Jedi Knight

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    @Joinerversers: Got it! For "lyrism", yeah, I meant "lyricism". In French the word is "lyrisme", and since many -isme French words turn into -ism, without the ending letter "e" (socialisme -> socialism, capitalisme -> capitalism, cubisme -> cubism, etc), so I extrapolated mistakenly.

    About the capital letter rule, curious to know the official one. I was always taugh that in English there are capital letters "almost everywhere" ^^
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  10. Chyntuck Force Ghost

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    Paging @divapilot :D
    (I *think* I was always taught that adjectives derived from nationalities and language names should always be capitalised, but maybe I don't remember well. I capitalise everything, at any rate.)
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  11. Joinerversers Jedi Master

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    I think the no capitalization rule only applies when talking about languages, not nationalities. For example, The tailor spoke in russian when he tried to sell me the Russian style dress.
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  12. brodiew Jedi Master

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    I'm not sure this is correct, @Joinerversers. I could be wrong, but I've always capitalized a reference to a language.
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  13. Joinerversers Jedi Master

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    I am trying to find the rule itself somewhere among my grammar books.
    We need an English teacher.
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  14. Briannakin Grand Moff Darth Fanfic & Costuming/Props Manager

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    Sorry to be pedantic, but Canada is a part of the Commonwealth.

    Anyways, as said previously, my English education was a joke (one year, we had a French teacher as our English teacher, another year we had a biology teacher, and one year we had a librarian - AND THEN there was the year that my English class had no regular teacher at all), so I don't have much to add, but I'm pretty sure names of languages are always capitalized.
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  15. yahiko Jedi Knight

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    Vive le Québec libre !
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  16. Joinerversers Jedi Master

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    I looked through my books and cannot find a capitalization rule.
    I browsed the Internet and found that, yes, when writing English, you are supposed to capitalize other languages than English, because they are considered proper nouns.
    Either English evolved since I was in English class, or the English teacher I had did not know what he was talking about.
    Either way, I apologize for any inconvenience.
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  17. Joinerversers Jedi Master

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    Je me souviens.
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  18. Briannakin Grand Moff Darth Fanfic & Costuming/Props Manager

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    It's 2017. Canada falling apart at its seams is soooo '95.
  19. yahiko Jedi Knight

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    Obivously, I was just kidding/taunting :p
    In fact, in France very few really care about Québec. We like them for their funny French accent, but, that's all (there are also some Canadian artists who are/were popular in here).
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  20. Chyntuck Force Ghost

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    Changing the subject completely, but I saw on the news that a tanker went down in the Saronic Gulf and spilled some 2500 tons of oil into the sea :( The beaches on Salamina are already covered in black slime with all that entails and if the wind turns it's going to affect the whole of Attica.
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  21. AzureAngel2 Jedi Grand Master

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    We Germans capitalize everything we can, but the English language only does that with proper names.

    * is not teaching secondary school level since summer 2013 but kindergarten level

    About the bad news you just told us @Chyntuck: this is grave news indeed!
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  22. AzureAngel2 Jedi Grand Master

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    PS: Here a little language sketch from one of my favourite book series that was even turned into a BBC TV show:

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  23. Briannakin Grand Moff Darth Fanfic & Costuming/Props Manager

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    I think that is how most people from Quebec view the French :p Kinda how I view the French too ;) I have a very French last name, so people aways say "oh so your family is French." I say "No, my father's family was mostly Metis." They say, "Oh, basically the same thing." No. No it is not.

    That is just horrible :(
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  24. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Oh, dear.

    I'm a fan, and I would definitely say that that quote is not an good example of Lovecraft's writing since it's a quote from a character in the story, The Colour out of Space, from that story I would probably quote the earlier parts:

    "West of Arkham the hills rise wild, and there are valleys with deep woods that no axe has ever cut. There are dark narrow glens where the trees slope fantastically, and where thin brooklets trickle without ever having caught the glint of sunlight. On the gentler slopes there are farms, ancient and rocky, with squat, moss-coated cottages brooding eternally over old New England secrets in the lee of great ledges; but these are all vacant now, the wide chimneys crumbling and the shingled sides bulging perilously beneath low gambrel roofs.

    The old folk have gone away, and foreigners do not like to live there. French-Canadians have tried it, Italians have tried it, and the Poles have come and departed. It is not because of anything that can be seen or heard or handled, but because of something that is imagined. The place is not good for the imagination, and does not bring restful dreams at night. It must be this which keeps the foreigners away, for old Ammi Pierce has never told them of anything he recalls from the strange days. Ammi, whose head has been a little queer for years, is the only one who still remains, or who ever talks of the strange days; and he dares to do this because his house is so near the open fields and the travelled roads around Arkham.

    There was once a road over the hills and through the valleys, that ran straight where the blasted heath is now; but people ceased to use it and a new road was laid curving far toward the south. Traces of the old one can still be found amidst the weeds of a returning wilderness, and some of them will doubtless linger even when half the hollows are flooded for the new reservoir. Then the dark woods will be cut down and the blasted heath will slumber far below blue waters whose surface will mirror the sky and ripple in the sun. And the secrets of the strange days will be one with the deep’s secrets; one with the hidden lore of old ocean, and all the mystery of primal earth."

    Also, here is a poem about cats by Lovecraft:

    The Cats
    Babels of blocks to the high heavens towering
    Flames of futility swirling below;
    Poisonous fungi in brick and stone flowering,
    Lanterns that shudder and death-lights that glow.

    Black monstrous bridges across oily rivers,
    Cobwebs of cable to nameless things spun;
    Catacomb deeps whose dank chaos delivers
    Streams of live foetor that rots in the sun.

    Colour and splendour, disease and decaying,
    Shrieking and ringing and crawling insane,
    Rabbles exotic to stranger-gods praying,
    Jumbles of odour that stifle the brain.

    Legions of cats from the alleys nocturnal.
    Howling and lean in the glare of the moon,
    Screaming the future with mouthings infernal,
    Yelling the Garden of Pluto's red rune.

    Tall towers and pyramids ivy'd and crumbling,
    Bats that swoop low in the weed-cumber'd streets;
    Bleak Arkham bridges o'er rivers whose rumbling
    Joins with no voice as the thick horde retreats.

    Belfries that buckle against the moon totter,
    Caverns whose mouths are by mosses effac'd,
    And living to answer the wind and the water,
    Only the lean cats that howl in the wastes.


    B.T.W. have you read Dan Abnett, Guy Haley, Sandy Mitchell or Bill King?
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  25. DarthIshtar Jedi Grand Master

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    For lyricism, I like John Donne, Coleridge, Blatty.

    I took on an editing job for $200 and spent it on a tent, sleeping bag, death star waffle maker, tshirt, Bluetooth earbuds and a teddy bear in police uniform. I feel so spontaneous.
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