Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by G-FETT, Jul 1, 2007.
I just headbanged my hair to the point of complete dryness immediately following a shower for the first time in a really, really, really long time. (And that's no easy feat, my hair goes past my chest.)
This has to be one of the greatest albums of all time:
Indeed. Such a great album, especially for headbangers. You ever played Brütal Legend? One of their songs from Show No Mercy is included.
I was spoiled for the first two prequels and totally regretted it. I do not want to spend the entire time saying, "Oh, that's how that happens" or, "I guess that means rumor X was wrong" ever again.
I told myself that after AOTC, but when it came time to ROTS - while I held out a little longer - I felt like I was ostracizing myself from the community and caved to spoilers so that I could discuss the film beyond speculation and be a part of the community.
This time it looks like I'll still have TCW come the release of Episode VII, so I might have to lock myself in here.
It's tough because especially for ROTS, we knew beforehand the general gist of the plot, and it was the details that were super important.
With Episode VII, we really have no idea for the first time in a generation what is going to happen in a major SW event (read: film). I'm more inclined to go spoiler-free, but will definitely watch the trailers, and follow the officially released info. But mos def no hardcore spoilers.
And I originally liked the "Palps is a clone" and "Naboo was nuked and is now Dagobah" theories.
Also, guys, Anakin did kill Padme. He broke her heart. Would have been much sadder if she took Leia and lived on Alderaan as we all believed.
^ Yes, that. Trailers yes, officially released info yes, hardcore spoilers no.
You could easily say she died from the Force Choke.
The Polis Massans couldn't even perform a caesarian with the technology available to them, their archaic medical opinions are an embarrassment to the medical community. She died of tracheal hemorrhaging
I knew that Palpatine was kidnapped in 2004 but that was the extent of my spoilers......until this:
I went to see some other movie and was spoiled majorly.
I wonder how the Jedi will die? Oh, wait there it is.
I'm sorry about you're being spoiled...but I have to say that is one of the best trailers ever made. I thought so when it came out (though I believed that to be because of my bias towards the film) but looking back at it, it really actually does a better job of explaining Anakin's fall than the actual movie did.
Admittedly it was an epic trailer, when Mace said "You're under arrest, Chancellor" I absolutely lost it!
I loved the trailer, and watched it again and again off the tivo when the trailer first aired. I remember having to fast forward through whatever program that was (that you see briefly in the youtube video above) to get to the trailer.
The one big thing that surprised me was that they so readily showed Palpatine in action. That just seemed to indicate to me that Lucas really wasn't going out of his way to mislead audiences that Palpatine = Sidious. Which just makes it odd now that he refuses to really develop the angle and stories that could exist in showing Sidious and Palpatine to be one and the same in TCW. Because all of a sudden NOW it becomes a big deal that they can't be shown to be the same.
Not so much metal but I was into all the 80s hair bands when I was in high school (which was the 80s. Young'uns.). Def Leppard, Van Halen in the Sammy Hagar days, Guns N Roses, Warrant, Motley Crue.
As far as the prequels, I was far too spoiled for all three of them, and the only good aspect I can think of regarding being that spoiled, is that I knew better than to pay full price for ROTS when I knew I would hate it.
@TaradosGon, that was one of my first thoughts when I saw the scene with Padme giving birth: I've had two C-sections (well, I had had one at the time that ROTS was released) and there is no reason why she should have been screaming when she was giving birth unless the med droids were trying to torture her by not giving her anesthesia, which I doubt. The pain of a C-section comes afterwards; it doesn't hurt while it's happening. But I don't think she died of tracheal hemorrhaging or the screaming wouldn't have happened.
Padme's death was one big cluster**** in which Lucas didn't seem to be able to make up his mind how she was going to die, and was trying to please both the fans who wanted Anakin to kill her and those of us who wanted him to have little to nothing to do with her death.
I actually felt the opposite - i loved the novelization and was really excited for the film and then when I got to the theater and we started getting such dumb dialogue between Anakin and Obi-wan and groaning battle droids, my heart immediately broke and i realized right away that this story - the story we had been waiting for for so long, and that I loved reading in the Novel, was going to be done so incredibly poorly. I became a little sick. With each passing moment i made myself more the dark side's servant and gave into my anger.
Maybe had something to do with the fact that Lucas never learned anything about childbirth.
It's not exactly difficult to research. I'm sure he could have contacted an ob/gyn in California who would have been happy to give him information.
To be fair, upon review, my C-section comment didn't make any sense.
A criticism is that Anakin is so ready to turn to the Dark Side to save Padme from complications of child birth, when a C-section would have been a natural solution. But apparently in a GFFA, they can travel across the galaxy in hyperspace, but can't or refuse to perform C-sections and insist on natural births.
I incorrectly brought that criticism up in reference to the Polis Massans, though they had no reason to suspect that Padme was going to die.
Padme giving up on life was painful to hear, not because of the tragedy, but because it was so stupid.
Prior to the release of ROTS, I suspected that the desire to save people from death would come up again (Anakin laid it down pretty thick in AOTC), and I figured that would in some way tie into Anakin's desire to save Padme. But I expected something more akin to Padme being terminally ill, Anakin's desire to find a way to save her ultimately drawing attention and everyone finding out that Padme and Anakin were married, Anakin joining Palpatine and Padme refusing to go along with it. And then she would go into hiding with Bail and Leia and that it would just become clear that Padme was going to die of her illness, but still leave a little leeway to account for why Leia remembers her (or at least that was what I remember of my fan speculation before going into 3SA ). I had enough sense to know that my speculation was unlikely to be true, but I couldn't have possibly have prepared myself for just how bad Padme's death was handled.
Your version would have made a much, much better story.
I had assumed that Padme would die, possibly at the hands of Palpatine, but Anakin would assume that the Jedi had something to do with it--either due to their sacrificing her for the "greater good" or due to Palpatine killing her and framing the Jedi for it. And that he wouldn't know that the med droids who attended her had managed to save the babies.
It wasn't a solid theory formed in my mind but that's what I thought the framework would be.
I still say Sidious did in Padme myself but that's a tangent.
I don't exactly know what Sidious' plan was should Anakin have killed Obi-Wan and brought Padme before Sidious to be saved.
Seems counter productive for Sidious to kill her outright and put Anakin into a position in which he'd attack Sidious and resulting in Sidious being killed or Sidious ruining his own plans by having to kill/injure his apprentice.
And to allow her to live seems dangerous, since Anakin was more loyal to her than Sidious.
The Force Choke killed her! She was always meant to die, presumably before she gave birth.
Had Anakin killed Obi-Wan - and I'm guessing Sidious figured he would - then he probably would have retrieved Padme, cried "oh God, oh God, oh God, oh God," and then raced her back to Palpatine as quick as possible to be saved. How would Sidious get out of that one? Lock the door, hide under his desk and have Mas Amedda tell Anakin that Palpatine is out on business. Palpatine then waits until after Padme has died to poke his head out and tell Anakin that it's his fault he didn't book an appointment 3 weeks in advance?
Do we know the timescale it takes from being Force Choked on Mustafar to giving birth on Polis Massa?
Would Anakin have gotten back to Coruscant on time?
Probably. Palpatine made the trip to Mustafar before Anakin died. Unless Padme was going to give up on life doubly fast out of spite.
I've now got this hilarious image of Padme being in the back of Anakin's ship and rolling around, trying to get herself to die faster.