Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

I guess that's another thing to blame Lucas for, since he iirc, wanted a ship to look like a ribbed engine. Practicality be damned.

 

The bridge was destroyed by the impact - if the Death Star II hadn't been there, the ship would've been just drifting in space.
In all fairness, though, the BFC trilogy indicated that later Exes included better shielding, presumably in response the destruction of the Executor and the Vengeance.

 

Didn't the Ex have a secondary control room though? I'm fairly certain that was mentioned somewhere...

 

It did, the A-Wing knocked out the primary bridge and main navigation. They could have gotten control back had Executor not smacked into several ships then the Death Star in short order.

 

Yeah, reading the Ex's article on Wookieepedia yielded this little gem:

So the Ex could have survived, had it not been in a REALLY bad spot at the time. Though the Rebel fleet would have vaped it anyway in the long run.

EDIT: And I bolded the relevant part.

 

Properly more do to it being such a compact design and it was X-Wing Isards Revenge when Krennel raids a convoy (which apparently had no fighter cover whatsoever as it seems)

 

In the novel it crashes into several ships, and "the resulting conglomerate" smashes into the DS2.

In the movie however- no such collisions are seen- and what's crashing into the DS2 in that final scene appears to be one ship on its own.

 

Well, the Nebula is an anti-starfighter ship anyway, and it doesn't have much room for its own fighters, so that makes a fair it of sense to me....


Though I forgot that officially Nebulas can carry multiple squadrons of fighters....hammerspace hangers?

Come to think of it, the Nebulas are the worst example, but many capital ships don't look big enough to fit all the fighters, shuttles and ground troops and vehicles that they officially can carry.

PS - Zeta1127: What do you have against dropships?

 

WEG deckplans for the Far Orbit kind of made it work, though you have to consider that the "military" Nebulon would have a rather different layout than the Medical Frigates we see in the movie, which had most of its front refitted for storage and hospital space, where the normal Nebulon would have its hangars.

 

Guys, the Nebulon-B escort frigate design is no worse than the various Federation Starfleet ships have their engine nacelles attached by weak little pylons. Warships in sci-fi have always been more about cool or unique features, as opposed to being sound naval designs.

Hell, the ISD is a poor design for making it's bridge so exposed and easy to target.

--Adm. Nick

 

Not to mention its main reactor

 

I don't fault that, cause it makes the ship look cool. My point is that for a space opera like Star Wars, I want warship that look menacing, cool, and unique more than them being sound naval designs.

--Adm. Nick

 

And defile Star Wars' proud tradition of ultra-realism? Heresy!

 

Hey, at least its not those stupid Trek ships with their spindly nacelles and necks. What were people thinking making such OBVIOUS weakness's! I mean anyone with half a brain knows where to aim to wreck them. Star Wars ships don't have that fault!

{sarcasm}

Serious part:

The shields are expected to keep stuff like the Nebulon neck and ISD towers safe. If the shields are knocked down it doesn't really matter WHERE you put the bridge. Over-reliance on shields? Certainly, but it makes sense.

 

I am sick and tired of most things introduced, especially in the NJO, being nothing more than name drops.

I don't like the Mediator-class battle cruiser, because no one ever bothered to give it proper stats before. Then, they decided to go by authorial intent from Vector Prime and change the size of the Viscount, when she's already has proper stats, and the Mediator has virtually no stats. And I don't particularly like the established keel length of the Mediator either, because it makes no sense with a much larger MC80 Independence-class Star Cruiser.

The Republic-class cruiser is really annoying because of the previously established Republic-class Star Destroyer that has proper stats.

The Rejuvenator-class and Turbulent-class Star Destroyers are basically nothing more than a name.

Random name drop ships annoy me a lot.

 

Ohhhh....I thought you meant "drop ships" as in "those ships who drop troops off on a planet"

 

Don't blame the vessels, blame the authors who completely ignored them.

As for the Mediator-class, I have always assumed that she was designed to be a fast warship capable to responding to any threat in the New Republic. Something more powerful than the MC90 series, but probably cheaper to build and more easily mass produced.

Think about it. We know that, per SOTG, the New Republic kept the majority of it's MC90 Star Cruisers and Nebula-class Star Destroyers in the Core Worlds and only sent them to the Rim for emergencies or Imperial attacks. The Mediator-class, on the other hand, can be deployed rapidly to any troublespot in the New Republic and have the required firepower to get the job done. Since it was undoubtedly designed during the last years of the war with the Imperial Remnant, I imagine that the MBC can take on an ISD-II and prevail without support starships. Since it is an upscaled Anaxes system battlecruiser, it was probably the by-product of the NR's multiple encounters with SSD's. 1.5km sounds small, but if the vessel has powerful shields and a reinforced hull, a handful of them with starfighter support could of menaced an SSD or at least held one off.

--Adm. Nick

 

I am a proponent of a much larger 3.2 to 3.8km MC80 Independence-class Star Cruiser, so the ridiculously small 1.5km Mediator-class and the 3km Viscount make little sense to me.

 

To be fair, even if Home One was 3.2km, that never meant that the Mediator-class was larger or that the Viscount was 17km. The whole reason the Viscount-class Star Defender ended up being 17km was solely due to game mechanics that needed a super ship for the "good guy" faction.

I have never been against a larger Home One. But based on all evidence seen in VP and in the EoC duology, a Mediator-class that was 8km or a Star Defender that was 17km NEVER stood up. Period. I will stand by that point until the end. Thankfully, the EGTW took into account those factors and gave us a 1.5km MBC, a 3km Viscount prototype, and kept the larger 17km Star Defenders as well.

I know that this decision was unpopular with some, but I stand by it 100%!

--Adm. Nick

 

3km makes no sense, even for a prototype.

 

I would argue that making it 17km makes no sense. There is nothing in the NJO that even comes close to backing this view.

--Adm. Nick

 

I think its super strong shields more than make up for some of its poor design aspects.

 

Because Star Wars warships need to be confined to crazy size limits for no particular good reason, its just like the speed of light