Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

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  1. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Oh, that is brutal man. Brutal. :-(

    Still, she never lost to enemy fire! [face_flag]

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  2. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

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    Too bad the '65 will share the same fate.
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  3. jSarek VIP

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    Aww, too soon, man, too soon. :p
  4. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

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    I was lookking in the Emperor Assassination thread, where Zaarin and advanced capital ships came up. Thus leading to the idea of Cloaking devices, and finally to that mystery Executor-class with cloaking devices at Fondor that was destroyed just prior to Endor. Why was it at Fondor when most were built at Kuat, and why was the Emperor so casual about letting it be destroyed? Maybe the Emperor had more in mind with that SSD than just making the Rebels overconfident. Maybe it was a symbol as well, say the price of failure and disobedience?

    Grand Admiral Batch was mostly involved in R&D with cloaking devices and some Starfighter development. Grand Admiral Zaarin was involved in R&D, mostly in the TIE series of craft, but a liking for advanced technology.
    Batch was hitting a brick-wall, with the Double-Blind-cloak the best he could come up with, until he gets the idea to blow up Aeten-II and get more Stygium crystals and make more of the old style cloaks. He does so, and requisitions the Terror to modify it to cloak. Being tied into the grapevine of R&D from his own work, probably through the V-38 development side, Zaarin finds out about this new development and having to have the coolest toys for himself, decides he isn't going to be shown up by Batch and requisitions his own SSD and starts modifying it to take a cloaking device. Quite a useful toy to have when planning a coup. Work begins on it, but before it is completed Rookie One and Ru Murleen blow up the Terror and Imdaar Alpha installation, destroying the remaining stockpile of stygium crystals. Batch goes on the run for the colossal failure in security that deprived the Empire of stygium-cloaking tech, and Zaarin is left with a partially completed SSD with cloaking devices that no longer work as the key component is no longer available. Zaarin goes back to his TIE Defenders as his next best option to ensure his coup attempt goes off.

    Marek Stele throws a spanner into the plot, and Zaarin fails to take out the Emperor, but is in a good position anyways, with Thrawn having to respond to Zaarin, who has the tech initiative. The Emperor is not pleased, as this coup attempt is causing more damage and is far larger in scale and success than any previous ones, throws open some of his storehouses, giving Thrawn access to the tech needed for the Missile Boat to counter the Defender, and to the Vorknyx-project cloak that Batch developed to use as bait. Encouraged by the idea of gaining access to a cloaking device again and maybe completing his vanity SSD, Zaarin goes for it, but is trapped by Thrawn. Assuming it works like the Stygium cloaks Batch brought back into use for a time, Zaarin makes the mistake of not testing it, and goes to hyperspace which does not react well to the Vorknyx cloak, killing him.

    End result, you have a real mess to clean up, with Zaarin having destroyed a number of research facilities and chewing up a piece of the Imperial fleet in his coup. Zaarin's SSD is now sitting in dock at Kuat, uncompleted, tying up a precious slip that could be used to build another one. Palpatine decides rather than have the cloaking devices ripped out, that the ship would be better used as an example. It's a symbol of Batch's failure and Zaarin's treachery, and so he has it towed to Fondor and the location leaked to the Rebellion, who mount a mission to destroy it. The symbol of Batch and Zaarin dies an ignoble fate, uncompleted in dock to a ragtag bunch of rebels, who see it as a major victory to have caught such a dangerous ship before it was launched (not knowing the cloaking device didn't work).


    Just a line of thinking I had.
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    Man, that is LOW!!!
  6. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    Interesting... do we have a relative timeframe, though? Zaarin's destruction seemed almost at the same time as the Battle of Endor (explaining why Thrawn and Stele were not present, perhaps).
    Cloaking devices for giant ships didn't seem to be a problem to create, although the potential for catastrophe was always there I suppose.
    As far as Fondor goes, as I mentioned in the Emperor assassination thread I would imagine that Zaarin ravaged the capital shipyards like he did the starfighter ones - striking at the hidden and experimental ones. Fondor may have been one of the remaining SSD yards in working order that could handle the work. (Could also explain why the Intimidator was sent for finishing in the Koornacht Cluster, as it appears to have been the one SSD present when the Yevethans revolted).
  7. darthscott3457 Force Ghost

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    So sad, I know its a different situation, but too bad CVN-65 will suffer the same fate. Here's to CVN-80 being just as successful.
  8. MercenaryAce Force Ghost

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    So I was reading the Tarkin coup thread and I was wondering:

    1. What would happen if a fleet tried to pull a Delta Base Zero on the Death Star's surface? While they couldn't destroy it outright without hitting the reactor, there is the possibility they could damage enough systems to effectively disable the station.

    2. How effective would the Death Star's defenses be at repelling such an attack? After all, it was said in the first movie that it was designed to repel "A direct, large scale assault" which I take to mean a CIS style capital ship heavy fleet. That said, a number of guns were taken out by fighter strafing runs, so I imagine turbolaser fire could also knock out emplacements pretty quickly...and since most capital ships carry fighters, they could just swarm the guns before moving their ships into bombardment range.
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    I immediately thought "superlaser" for a big problem with #2, but could you damage the projection surface, maybe? It's a gigantic target area, after all.
  10. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    While the DS1's superlaser is capable of hitting a starship (as we see in the Death Star novel) I don't think it was designed for it the way the DS2's was.

    I could see it having trouble hitting fast-moving starships, or having a limited aiming capacity.
  11. DarthBoba Manager Emeritus

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    Yeah, it's not. Still wondering if the projection surface could be torn up by starfighters from a distance, though-any idea?
  12. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Planetary scale shield generator, so good luck to them :) and BDZ is not always a bombardment, after all we are told that Infantry can also do it. ;)


    The Rebel fighters were able to dive beneath the shield, capital ship fire should be stopped by the shields, whilst the heavy guns on the Death Star would have a free run at them.
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  13. Iron_lord Chosen One

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    According to the Death Star novel, the shielding is actually "rudimentary".

    But that may simply be when compared to something like the Coruscant shield network.
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    Yep, because the shield eats more power than anticipated, that’s why it had gaps through which fighters are able to slip, but the Death Star Technical Companion indicates that it should do fine against capital ships, of course they never got around to testing it. ;)
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    Storyboards for ROTJ and the ROTJ novelization both mention that the Rebel Fleet bombarded DSII and inflicted some serious damage. The image of Ackbar's fleet closing in and bombarding the station from above while still holding off the remnants of the Imperial Fleet is just plain wicked. :cool:

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  16. Tzizvvt78 Force Ghost

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    Each of the tributary beams was a superlaser on its own. I haven't read anything that implies they could fire independently, but it should be physically possible, given they have their own dedicated crews, iirc.

    It could hit capital ships when using a much smaller percentage of the power used to pulverize worlds. The main difference is, the DSII was much larger and the power system could store more shots than the smaller one due to the increased dimensions. The DSI could pulverize planets, the DSII, with its much larger systems could do the same, even without using the laser at 100 %.
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    Though Death Star II did not have a planet shields of it's own and most of it's weapons were not ready so a lot easier to do then on a completed one. ;)
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    Linkie?
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    [IMG]

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  21. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

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    The incomplete second Death Star shrugged off the Executor with no discernible damage.
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  22. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Well, keep in mind that the bombardment of the Death Star by the Rebel Fleet was probably more about distracting the station's crew and defenders from the main Rebel starfighter attack. A few dozen Mon Cal cruisers and their escorts raining fire down at point black range is a formidable threat. If a single ISD is capable of a BDZ on a world in one day, image what the core of Ackbar's navy is capable of. ;-)

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    Mmm...the ROTJ novel suggests otherwise. Don't recall the exact wording, but there was significant damage IIRC. Plus, you know, a giant, oxygen-fed fireball :p
  24. Vialco Force Ghost

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    How can an Executor-class only carry 144 fighters? It's 19 km long, I'd expect it to have more than just twice the complement of a normal Imperial-class.
  25. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Carry Capacity is higher, the Empire just happens to be somewhat short of actual TIE fighters to go around so they just choose to assign only 144 since Executor class ships tend to bring fleets along which carry their own TIEs. Not the only time it actually happens either, as many other Imperial ships are also known to be cut short on the number of TIEs they actually got over what they should/could have.
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