Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

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  1. AlyxDinas Force Ghost

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    Nothing that I can tell. The guy doing the mining has a program that sort of slowly assembles the models and because the data is being added in the background of game patches, it's incomplete to a large degree. So far, that's meant player ships. Strike vessels, bombers, etc. There's some nice variations and then there are models that are quite intentionally meant to be visually evocative of "classic designs. However, the variations on a single "type" of vessel are quite interesting. That's because there's essentially basic chassis and then it build from there, with different engines and such.
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  2. Tzizvvt78 Force Ghost

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    I'd like to see Fractal's take on the Rendili Dreadnaught-class and the two assault frigates just to see how they all add up, given they're supposed to be the same ship, just heavily modified. The Mark II frigate always seemed like someone took the head of a RD, not the entire ship. Then again, they made different sizes for the RD, too, maybe the Mark II was taken from a larger variant?
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    Looking in other forums the MC-90 is starting to get armed up, pretty damn impressive:

    http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/showthread.php?2212-Star-Wars-projects-thread/page326
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  4. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Looks great. Interesting that he didn't opt to use the "hidden" gun blisters ala the Complete Vehicles, but instead went for a beefier single heavy turbolaser on ball mount for each main gun. I am loving everything I am seeing. Kinda bummed that he felt the need to increase the size to 1500 meters, but I guess his idea is that the vessel needs more mass to be an ISD killer.

    Anyways, I can't wait to see the finished product!

    --Adm. Nick
  5. FTeik Force Ghost

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    Why would an official warship - which the MC90 is - need hidden gun-blisters? This isn't a converted luxury-liner after all. And if Jason Fry can drop the ball and decrease a Viscount from 17 klicks to 3.1, then I see no problem with the MC90 increasing in lenght by 250 meters.
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  6. FTeik Force Ghost

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    Sorry for the repeat.
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  8. Tzizvvt78 Force Ghost

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    Also, "each calamari cruiser is a unique work of art and blahblahblahblah", so there's no reason MC90s can't differ between ships like the other types do.
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  9. Senator_Cilghal Force Ghost

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    thanks Gorefiend! I vaguely recalled that pic, but couldn't find it online anywhere!

    Its certainly interesting to see SW ships using actual grappling hooks instead of tractor beams. Makes me think of Enterprise NX-01;) Of course, I realize Ebruchi are pirates in Unknown Regions, and their tech isn't always going to match mainstream. But it does raise the interesting question if the difference is due to tech lag, or deliberate. Are there advantages to using physical grapples over tractor beams? And IIRC, Ebruchi mostly steal tech from other cultures, which makes me curious who these fighters originated with...they don't strike me as particularly Chiss or Faruun in aesthetic. I would love to see them retconned as originating with one of the more obscure Uknown Regions races.

    Regarding Mon Cals, I would love to see some artistic fleshing out of their fleet. Artistic depictions of their non-cruiser ships [carriers, corvettes, frigates, gunships, troop transports, fighters, bombers, tenders, boarding shuttles, gunboats]. Do they still use the Clone Wars type Amphib fighters in Rebellion period and beyond? I would like to see a more "realistic" movie-quality depiction of an MC40a than the blocky game images we are currently limited to. And I'd like to see more appearances of MC30c ande MC40a than their current respective one-game-each, not to mention some histories and full stats for each class. And several classes, like the Mediator, still lack pics. Plus, my understanding is only the prototype Viscount itself is 3.1km, later main-production Viscount SDs are still 17km. Although personally that doesn't make sense to me, how could a 3.1km ship function as a prototype for a 17km ship? Isn't a prototype supposed to test the feasibility of a design? How can they even be considered the same class?

    Most of all, we still need more illustrations of Legacy-era fleets, by which I mean the "pre-Cade" portion of the Legacy era. Strident-class Star Defender is still high on my list of must-sees
  10. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Have we seen any tof ships outside of their bulk cruiser?
    [IMG]

    Also do we have any in universe explanations to why we see so few duros space ships, stations or other technology?
  11. Skywalker_T-65 Force Ghost

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    No in-universe explanation for lack of Duros ships that I know of.

    Out of universe, its Kuati and Mon Cal ship saturation. I like them as much as the next guy, but we need more variety :p
  12. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    I am actually tiered of them. Not that I don't like them, I am just tiered of them
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  13. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Same comic shows us their fighters, but nep no others have shown up, though TUR mentions that their normal ships are smaller though still look a lot like sailing ships.


    Could be that a lot of the stuff they build is for CEC.
  14. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Found the fighters
    [IMG]

    Maybe that is the secret behinde Kuat and CEC: all their work, outside of desigen and marketing, is by the Dutos Cartell!
  15. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    The lack of Duros ships came up elsewhere recently. It is puzzling, as they have been established as one of earliest spacefaring races with one of the largest shipyards in the galaxy (yet they never actually seem to have their own capital ships defending their shipyards). I believe the only definitive designs of Duros crafts were a starfighter (with the Corellians) and shuttle.
    There isn't an excuse, especially since we've had references to unique Givin and Geonosian capital ship designs. And during the Imperial era, there should have been at least a dozen Duros freighter classes.
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  16. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    Quick tidbit of Duros ship lore (from EGTW, naturally) - the original Republic navy was, in part, Duros scout ships.
  17. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Do we see them or get any real data about them? Also; when in the old Republics history are we talking about?
  18. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    An MC90A cruiser? :p

    I always assumed that the MC90 series, based on it's 1255m length, was an ISD-killer due to having more internal space devote to reactors. Mon Cal warships don't waste space on internal storage for ground forces, plus they require significantly less crew to operate than an ISD. Even though they are 245m smaller, I assume the fact that they don't have to make space for the aforementioned things allows for a larger reactor. The larger reactor in turn powers heavier turbolasers and stronger shields. Add in the increase to six starfighter squadrons and the addition of six capital ship scale proton torpedo launchers and it makes sense why this vessel was so dangerous.

    Yup, I always liked that part. There is also the part about the Duros "armed merchant ships" that was included by ThrawnMcEwok as a way of foreshadowing the practices of the Neimoidians, The Duros also collaborated very heavily with their Corellian neighbors, so I can easily see Duros warship construction being more focused on small, fast and heavily armed frigates.

    --Adm. Nick
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  19. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Me I want to see Duros long runners and city ships
  20. blackmyron Force Ghost

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    Sadly, no - it was a blurb about the Republic's original navy at its founding - only Coruscanti armed freighters are listed besides the Duros scout ships.

    Checking the Tionese-Republic War, I didn't see any notice of Duro listed as one of the principal Republic shipyards - but I had forgotten Humbarine was.

    Another small tidbit - Coruscant and the Core Worlds indicated that during the New Republic, the Duro Starshipwright Shipyards were primarily engaged in the design and production of light freighters.
  21. jSarek VIP

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    I remember a while back there was talk that Hoersch-Kessel might actually have been (at least originally) a Duros shipwright. That would put a lot of Duros ships on the table.
  22. Senator_Cilghal Force Ghost

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    I've always wondered if the name has any connection to the planet Kessel at all...perhaps Kessel is originall a family name, and manufacturer and planet both derived from that?

    also, the "Kesselian blockade runners" in ROTJ novellization could be in the sense of manufactured by H-K, rather than from planet Kessel?
  23. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    The Truce at Bakura Sourcebook explained that those are actually just armed Smuggler ships.
  24. Gamiel Force Ghost

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    Awww:( , and since I just have bought The Truce at Bakura Sourcebook I have to ask which page?
  25. Gorefiend Chosen One

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  26. Tzizvvt78 Force Ghost

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    Some of their city ships were decidedly Executor-ish in appearance:

    [IMG]
    With added bubble domes and hundreds of millions of citizens, though.
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