Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

I don't need to rationalize it, I just ignore it and other things I don't like

 

Hence that's how I rationalize it. I'm not saying anyone else has to think that way.

 

In 5000 BBY, things like the small Sienar battleships were at the forefront of naval technology. Their sale made Sienar rich "for generations".
By 4000 BBY, the huge battleships that fought the Krath fleet were apparently old and on the end of their service life.
In the next few decades, ships like the Praetorian, Hammerhead and eventually, the Thranta emerged and maintained a long service life.
The interesting element is that the Krath-era ships were visually similar to Alsakan warships from 6000 years before. An example of design lines disappearing only to emerge thousands of years later.
As with the Harrower and Imperial.

 

Looking through the KOTOR Guide, but I see that they made the culture of TOTJ as a "throwback" - "The Republic prior to the Great Sith War retains trappings of the past, both in fashion and in behavior. Archaic wardrobe is in vogue during a brief revival that spans much of the Republic."

 

Two things: 1- to me that's not a good idea to have TOTJ as a throwback it takes away part of it and take away the feeling of a non-linear development. Also, to me, that quote makes it sound like you can not have TOTJ like fashion and behaviour without it being a throwback; 2 - were is that quote from?

Now time to

 

From WOTC's Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide. JJM of the KOTOR comic co-wrote it... along with good ol' Abel Pena. Great stuff.

 

I remember the KotOR Campaign Guide mentioned the Republic fleet got a lot of money after the Great Sith War through a controversial reorganization, but it also allowed the Navy to rebuild into what we see in KotOR basically. They even have a starfighter design contest, with the Aurek winning and the Chela also making a great showing, which is why the Republic uses at least a few Chelas. Great reading, but no surprise considering the authors.

It was annoying that they basically retconned TotJ as being a relatively brief throwback period, but that's just the way Lucasfilm seems to be going- almost every era is exactly like the flawed prequel era,or at least that's the background of most stories we get. The original KotOR borrowed from the prequels a lot and TOR was just lazy and ripped off as much as possible. What's really sad is that the Interdictor and Centurion were originally Republic ships, so they would count as Star Destroyer ancestors, now the Sith Empire basically had Star Destroyers first and Kuat just copied from them and no one noticed or cared.

The Warfare guide was great for an overall guide, but the KotOR Campaign Guide just had so many excellent details on the TotJ and KotOR eras. Its too bad they went with the easy way with TOR, as I did like the KotOR ship designs for being homages without being too derivative. The Thranta isn't that original after the Hammerhead and the Valor is really the only TOR original capital ship I like. The Sith Imperial fleet looked better when Legacy did it (heck, I still remember how Bioware borrowed Legacy concept art for the first year or so).

Too bad the RPG probably won't do a TOR era guide for years... although by then TOR's story might be winding down so at least they'll have a lot of material to work with.

 

I'd say there are a couple logical picks. Alland is right in the area and has known shipyards used by the military. It's right in BFC, actually, and is the yard the NR uses for one of A'baht's ships that suffers a hyperdrive failure on the jump to Koornacht, suggesting that it's possibly still a regional base. Even nearer, we have Fresia; the Empire using nationalized Incom yards to build its ships makes total sense. Incom probably doesn't have a reason to have supership slips given that it mostly appears to make small craft, but if the yard only has two, it's possibly they were built by the Empire since Incom was nationalized, so that doesn't rule it out. There's also nothing saying that Black Sword's designated home shipyard has to be in their patrol area -- some areas just don't have major construction yards -- and Foerost appears to be the nearest known major shipyard, and is in a good position to be serving the Negs. It's also in a good position to have a lot of its production quietly diverted to Byss, which could help explain some of the confusion about Black Sword's strength and where those other hulls that kicked Intimidator out went.

So that's three pretty good candidates for our mystery Black Sword SSD yards; I'd say Alland is probably the best pick for someone to canonize someday.

 

Alland and Foerost are listed as a major civilian yards in the RE, in the shipyard map from EGTW, so I would say it's probably unlikely for those two. Fresia wasn't listed at all - they might have had only starfighter production facilities in their system. (Outside of the EGTW map, though, I agree on your points).

The description of Black Sword in the Clone Wars implies there were a lot of yards there, at least smaller ones - "[Black Sword] was a reserve command dominated by repair yards and training camps."

I was recently thinking along the same lines about the Byss connection - especially for the two missing SSDs. It would make a lot of sense that they were sent to a "finishing yard" that was off the beaten path... except, of course, for being two steps away from the Deep Core.

The elephant in the room for all this, though IS WE NEED AN EXPLANATION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT CAL-SETI.

 

I want a story about the Imperial attack on the Mon Calamari run New Republic shipyard at Hast. The EGTW gave us a bit more information, but I want more! It sounds like a Pearl Harbor-type attack. Retrofitted carriers unleashing hordes of TIE fighters and bombers on a unsuspecting shipyard! The attack damaged 9 MC80 cruisers, 2 ISD's, and over thirty escorts. This attack setback a NR plan to attack the borderland regions.

--Adm. Nick

 

FFG's Miniatures game just added the HWK-290? Awesome.

 

Any word on if they will be making any capital ships anytime soon?

 

Haven't come across anything saying so yet, but I have imagine it's only a matter of time.

 

Need to look harder
Corvette and Medium Transport

 

Hmmm.... they appear to be special units, though as they keep saying "not for tournament play". But I'm guessing that they're going to make a separate miniatures game for capital ships - or at the least an expanded version of the regular miniature line (I'm unaware of how WOTC did their treatment of their miniature game).

 

Wonder if we'll get some of the bigger capital ships from the new beta. Would love to see the Gozanti, Vigil and Praetor Mk.II.

 

Those models are stunning. I really, really hope we get the rest of the Rebel Fleet released at one point, as well as the iconic ISD. Really top notch stuff!

--Adm. Nick

 

Got to at least get up to 600 meters before I get interested. A Praetor Mk II would be unbelievably awesome.

 

I have to agree; by using the Executor as a base for the city ships they made the Duros following the same design as Kuat

 

You of course mean the Kuati stealing Duros designs, which given what we know about the Kuati is actually very likely.

 

So that's how Kuati became a major player - industry espionage!

 

That as well as outright bribery and underhanded lobbying.

 

No wonder the Empire chose them as their imperial supplier

 

finally got my copy of Complete Vehicles. Home One just facinates me anew. The internal arboretum is a nice tough for a converted civ ship. And I was interested to see the 1300m length. But most of all I was fascinated by the detachable main shuttle and secondary passenger shuttle. As far as I know, these features are unprecedented. Taking the 1300m length of overall ship as fact [please, just for sake of argument so to say], anyone want to attempt measurements for the two detachable shuttles?

 

two other questions

book says Acclamator is 752m, but in my personal notes for some reason I have Acclamator length 891.59m, anyone got a clue where I got that figure from?

I'm still confused as heck on difference between T-65C-A2 and T-65B