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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. CommanderDrenn

    CommanderDrenn Jedi Knight star 4

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    I looked it up on the Wookie- the ISD-I had 60 Ion Cannons, and the ISD-II had 20 Heavy Ion Cannons -presumably, the Heavy ones "de-energize" ships more efficiently.
     
  2. DarthCane

    DarthCane Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Those figures (which are derived from the old West End Games RPG sourcebooks, if I'm not mistaken) weren't made to match the models used in the movies. The ISD-I model has 16 guns in dual turrets alongside the superstructure (12 turbolasers and 4 ion cannons) as well as 2 quad turbolaser turrets mounted in the notches on the hull sides, 3 medium triple turbolaser turrets mounted at the front of the superstructure, and another 2 medium single guns near the hangar. The ISD-II model appears to delete the side quads and the medium guns, but instead replaces the side turrets with octuple versions. No idea how those guns compare individually to the dual-mounted guns on the ISD-I. Wookiepedia's entry seems to take the position that the WEG stats only refer to the secondary or tertiary battery of XX-9 turbolasers and NK-7 ion cannons.

    Overall I got the impression that the ISD-II was more geared towards "killing people and breaking things" than the ISD-I. More emphasis on raw firepower and durability than versatility, with perhaps standardization of the main battery caliber and layout thrown in.
     
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  3. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The Skipray Blastboat may be one of the few exceptions- called a capital ship under "some classification systems":

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Capital_ship
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/GAT-12_Skipray_Blastboat

    though the classification systems that designate it that might not include the Anaxes system- at least- not without it being a rather major "exception to the rule".
     
  4. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A frigate is a capital ship that supports heavier combatants in a fleet, escort military or civilian convoys and hunt for smaller pirate groups. A battleship is either a large combatant in a navy or a general slang-term for a large capital ship that can turn the tide of battle when in use. Warship is any kind of military spaceship. Capital ship is any warship over 90 meters in length.
     
  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Sometimes a ship can change roles depending on the era.

    Derriphan-class vessels were battleships in the Sadow era, but frigates in the Revan era (By length, they fit into the frigate size class of the Anaxes system).
     
  6. CommanderDrenn

    CommanderDrenn Jedi Knight star 4

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    Apparently, the ISD II had more weapons, better shields, and better armor-so, was it inferior in anyway?Another quick question is What ar the anti-fighter weapons called? Point Defense, or something else?
     
  7. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    CommanderDrenn

    The Imperial II-class Star Destroyer doesn't have better shields than the original Mark 1 model, per WOTC's 1st Starships of the Galaxy. Exact quote below:

    "Imperial II-class Star Destroyers are upgraded versions of the standard Imperial-class ships, featuring increased hull strength and a much heavier weapons load. Unfortunately, the power requirements for the massive number of weapons crammed into and Imperial II result in weaker shields."

    While game mechanics are not the best way to compare capital ships, the ISD-II is listed in the guide as having 250 shield points and 730 hull points. Compare that to the MC90 series Star Cruiser, which boasts 600 shield points and 700 hull points, and you can see why the MC90 is considered a ISD-II killer. The Nebula-class Star Destroyer has 500 shield points and 700 hull points, so it is easy to see how the last NR-period saw the Defense Force regularly fielding warships that outclassed Pellaeon's Remnant fleet. It also helps explain why Ackbar only needed one SSD during his final push at Champala and Anx Minor, as I imagine the Third and Fifth Fleets were loaded with MC90's and NebStars, which would help make up for his deficiency in dreadnoughts. This would be a classic case of a larger number of smaller, advanced capital ships being more advantageous than a single Star Dreadnought.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  8. CommanderDrenn

    CommanderDrenn Jedi Knight star 4

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    The Imperial II was built with a heavily reinforced hull, stronger deflector shields, and greater firepower than the original Imperial I class. The prominent quad heavy turbolaser and heavy ion cannon turrets flanking the surface of the Imperial I-class Star Destroyer were also replaced with batteries of eight-barreled turbolasers or ions in unarmored barbette mountings.[12] Another new feature included two parallel "claws" for grappling smaller starships placed in the ventral secondary docking bay.[12]

    I am not trying to be sarcastic, in any way.

    Did I misinterpret the data? That quote is directly from Wookiepedia, so it may have been input erroneously.
     
  9. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Wook isn't always right. ;)

    Truth be told, there may be conflicting sources, which is common for this sort of stuff. I had SOTG handy, so I pulled that quote.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  10. COMPNOR

    COMPNOR Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Commander Drenn

    Hint for using Wookieepedia: Look at the names in article's edit history, then compare those with Wookieepedia's banned user list.
     
  11. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    May I ask you guys a question about vessel names? :)
     
  12. AdmiralNick22

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  13. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Thanks, Admiral. *Bows* Well met. :)

    I have long been fascinated by names. I have been looking into ship names of both SW and ST the last few days. I find it curious that some names almost seem like they should be used by another affiliation than they are. It seems for the most part vessel names employ the supposed black/white image just as the narrative usually does. However, my questions are: how many named ships are there in the Galactic Empire and Imperial Remnant. Likewise for the Rebel Alliance, Old Republic, New Republic, and the Galactic Alliance. Finally what do you think of them? Are they suitable or are they silly? Why? I would also be fascinated to look at the specs of the well known ship classes. Any recs? I saw earlier that some don't trust Wook.
     
  14. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Gosh, the number of named ships is HUGE, especially for the various main powers like the Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire, Rebel Alliance, New Republic, and Galactic Alliance. Over the years, naming conventions for capital ships has gotten a bit varied. To be honest, the only warships that seem to stay more or less in a "category" are Imperial Star Destroyers, and even this is a bit of a stretch. As far as variety goes, just look at the following variety for Mon Cal cruisers:

    Virtues
    Liberty
    Freedom
    Defiance
    Justice
    Hope
    Independence
    Autonomy

    Planets/Locations
    Calamari
    Yavin
    Tatooine
    Remember Alderaan
    Ossus Day
    Vortex Wind
    Reef Home
    Mantan Wanderer

    Aquatic/Stellar
    Startide
    Galactic Voyager
    Silent Water

    Names
    Cathleen
    Maria

    Government/Roles
    Alliance
    Mediator
    Viscount


    "Mon" Naming Style
    Mon Remonda
    Mon Casima
    Mon Karen
    Mon Delino
    Mon Adapyne

    I could go on and on. You will find a similar lack of patterns on other warship classes as well.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  15. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Thanks. Would you be willing too? I really would like to study them but sometimes have trouble accessing Wook and don't have any ref books anymore. Part of the reason I am looking into naming conventions is to see what's been done already and if I like any of them for my own universes. I mean the conventions or certain elements. I do my best not to use names from SW or ST in ship names. I have used one or two for characters though.
     
  16. King of Alsakan

    King of Alsakan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Here is a good place to start if you can get to wookieepedia for a list of Imperial names.

    The names for Star Wars Imperial ships remind me more of the naming style of the Royal Navy. More verb/adjectives than places or peoples, which sounds a lot better to me at least. Some Imperial warships classes include, but not limited to, Imperator (or Imperial), Executor, Assertor, Mandator, Sovereign, Eclipse, Bellator, Praetor, Tector etc... Republic warships sometimes have a similar naming style to the Imperial ones as well.
     
  17. Cushing's Admirer

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  18. CommanderDrenn

    CommanderDrenn Jedi Knight star 4

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    Assuming it's names and not classes- I've noticed the ISD-II's often have names of virtues or actions with negative connotations.
    Avarice
    Eviscerator
    Come to mind, but I am sure there are more.
    Look at some of the SSD's names:
    Reaper (brings death or harvests crops)
    Razor's Kizz
    Lusankya -pretty sure that has no real meaning, but someone please correct me if I am wrong :cool:
    Iron Fist -rule with impunity
    So there seems to be a recurring theme of being "evil/powerful."
     
  19. Cushing's Admirer

    Cushing's Admirer Chosen One star 7

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    Yes, I agree. I would like classes too. I love names altogether and SW ship names and classes are very interesting to me. :) Do anyone know how many vessels are in the respective affiliations? I am considering trying to make a list of equal number for my universe in time just for fun. Thanks for the input. :)
     
  20. Skywalker_T-65

    Skywalker_T-65 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The numbers are rather...large. I know I don't know all of them for sure.

    But, off the top of my head:


    Republic:

    Consular-class (the ship that Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan used at the start of TPM)
    Dreadnought class
    Carrack class
    Imperial/Imperator class (the ISD was original a Republic ship)
    Venator class
    Victory class (my personal favorite)
    Mandator class
    Praetor class
    Procurator class

    Empire:
    Executor
    Lancer
    Allegiance
    Bellator
    Assertor
    Procusator (might have misspelled that one)
    + some of the Republic designs like the Imperial and Victory

    Rebel/CIS (they used some of the same ships)
    MC80 (Mon Cal cruiser)
    CR90 (Tantive IV)
    Luchrehulk (Trade Federation)
    Providence
    Munificent
    Recusant
    Nebulon-B
    Assault Frigate Marks 1 and 2

    New Republic:
    Nebula
    Defender
    Endurance
    Republic
    Vicsount
    Mediator



    Like I said, that's just off the top of my head. The Wook probably has a better list I would imagine.

     
  21. CommanderDrenn

    CommanderDrenn Jedi Knight star 4

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    Some Mon Calamari ships are:
    (description's accuracies may vary)
    mc30c -small vessel, perhaps 600? meters long, its main purpose is to launch proton torpedoes.
    mc40a - medium frigate, maybe 750 meters long, a lightly armed and armored vessel, its main purpose being an escort vehicle.
    mc80 - The standard(I think) "Mon Calamari Cruiser" that is in games, it was about 3/4-ish the length of an Imperial Star Destroyer, but lacked strength in weapons power.
    mc80b-This one was about the same size as the mc80, but I believe it has more weapons, and looks somewhat like a fish.
    mc90- Known as an Imperial Star Destroyer-killer, it was around the same size, but had less weapons. Its shields were far superior to the ISD's, however.

    Imperial Warships:

    Acclamator-I/II the carrier ship in the Clone Wars.
    Victory-class Star Destroyer -served as a gunboat, with two powerful turbolasers, and many missile launchers.
    The Victory II, I believe, was more of an all-purpose vessel.
    Tartan-Patrol Cruiser- an anti-fighter unit.
    Executor-class Star Dreandnaught, also known as the Super Star Destroyer.
    Imperial-I Star Destroyer - the one we see in ANH, the easiest way to differentiate between the ISD and the ISD-II is by how tall that communications/targeter tower is atop the superstructure. The ISD-I will be much larger.
    Imperial-II Star Destroyer - it had more armor and shields, but, as I have been told ;)lesser shields.

    I'm sure others here can give you more names, and perhaps a specific source, but none that I know of or can think of.
     
  22. Gorefiend

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  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I strongly suspect, that it's a nod to Lubyanka:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubyanka_Building
     
  24. Tim Battershell

    Tim Battershell Jedi Master star 5

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    I think it says just that in the Wook's 'Behind the Scenes' section, IIRC.
     
  25. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    It does.

    One of the most common naming formats seems to be (verb)-or or (verb)-er, with Roman-themed names being common as well.

    Even non-Imperial parties get into it:

    Tyber Zann: Aggressor-class
    New Republic: Mediator-class