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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    :D

    It seems like the beta info is retained, so we're getting a new system that incorporates info from the Anaxes War College as well as some new info. I see the Praetor II in the pic and the full name in the profile on the next page (Praetor II-class Star Battlecruiser). ^:)^

    Don't get your hopes up for the Rebel navy, Nick. If the beta is anything to go by, there's very little new info. I think the only thing I remember is the Gozanti being used by Rebels (and we know it's also used by the Empire in Rebels).
     
  2. jasonfry

    jasonfry VIP star 4 VIP

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    Needless to say, this love for the Anaxes War College makes me really happy.
     
  3. Zeta1127

    Zeta1127 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I would be far more receptive to the Anaxes War College System if everybody and their brother didn't treating it like the gospel, with the Victory-class and Secutor-class Star Destroyers being examples of its flexibility. And people don't seem to understand that Star Cruiser as a subcategory of Star Battlecruiser never caught on in universe, meaning it is perfectly acceptable for the Allegiance-class to formally be referred to as a Star Battlecruiser.
     
  4. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    But this is for an rpg game mechanic. As I've said earlier, all the rpg systems have to take into account some simplistic tendency to make rules easier to understand and engagements less one-sided. More about making a game fun than being rigid about in-universe norms.
    I would have to disagree with you on that one. :p
    In the Legends continuity, the designation was popular enough to be nominated for candidacy into the system. It was well-known to the point of Rebels using Super Star Destroyer as a colloquialism to group the type in with other heavy warship designs.
     
  5. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Do you have a list of all Rebel ships from the Beta? Also, when compared to the Beta, do all Imperial ships confirmed so far (SSD, Praetor, ISD, VSD, Vindicator, Lancer) all appear as well?

    I never picked up Edge of the Empire, but I wonder if there were any additions from the Beta stage to the final? That may help indicate if new stuff was added.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  6. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    CR90 Corvette
    Consular Class Light Cruiser
    Dreadnought Class Heavy Cruiser
    Gozanti Class Armored Transport
    Liberty Type Star Cruiser
    Nebulon-B EF76 Frigate
    YV929 Armored Transport
     
  7. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Not a bad list. Hopefully they add the Home One-type, plus it would be nice to see the Bulk Cruiser as well. Round out the list with Assault Frigates and they would hit all the major classes.

    Given that the author may be a big fan of the EGTW, it will be interesting to see what they say about the Liberty-type Star Cruisers. IIRC, I think the mention of eight new cruisers prior to Endor referred to the winged cruisers. Again, I can only hope that one day someone picks up on the wingless cruisers and fleshes them out. They are, afterall, the most numerous of the MC80 cruisers at Endor.

    EDIT:

    Here is a link from some time ago about the Home One-type being part of it. Obviously this could change, but it may be a good indication that it could make the final version:

    http://gsa.thegamernation.org/2013/08/15/first-look-star-wars-age-of-rebellion/

    --Adm. Nick
     
  8. anotherdemon

    anotherdemon Jedi Knight star 2

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    Kinda interesting that the Imperial fleet at Endor was said to be the largest concentration of star destroyers ever assembled in the Blade Squadron story.

    I'm assuming they're meaning for a combat operation, and also just those models. Coruscant had hundreds.
     
  9. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The whole "largest concentration" thing shouldn't be taken literally, IMO. Visually, all we know based on canon now (God help me, but the EGTW info about Endor should remain canon!) is that there was the SSD Executor, a communication ship that was "one of the largers Destroyers", a hangarless ISD (which the old EU named the Tector-class), and a few dozen ISD's.

    So, is anyone up for an attempt to visually document the ships shown on screen during the Battle of Endor? We can go scene by scene, make counts by vessel, then review the data to determine the highest number possible for each class at Endor. The Alliance Fleet will be the more challenging one, as there are a lot of little background ships that need to be reviewed, but it could be kinda fun.

    Thoughts?

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  10. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    What's the point? 99 % of the time there's five or six visible on-screen. The only one that isn't, is the very first fleet reveal and it had one or two extra ships beyond the statement in EGTW.
     
  11. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I disagree. There are a few shots that are pretty telling. For example, note the one below:

    [​IMG]


    Let's start with the Nebulon-B escort frigates. Going left to right, we see the following:

    x4 Neb-B "bow shots" (three are easy to spot, the forth is on the DSII's equatorial trench, below the dish, small but the shape & different color point it out)
    x5 Neb-B "side shots" (clustered around Home One)

    So that shot alone has a total of 9 escort frigates, more than most people attribute to the battle based on visuals alone. Now, let's do the same for the Mon Cal cruisers:

    x3 MC80 wingless cruiser "bow shots"
    x1 MC80 Home One
    x6 MC80 cruiser "side shots" (three each to the left & right of Home One)

    Besides the four obvious GR75 medium transports, there are at least five unknown class ships.

    Anyways, it is just an idea. Either way, I figured it would be fun to get a final "count" for each ship class. [face_dunno]

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  12. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Last time the first fleet reveal was mentioned:

    One of the Victory-class ships at Endor in the EU could account for the extra one.
     
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  13. FTeik

    FTeik Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Largest concentration of star destroyers or largest concentration of the imperial fleet? Because if we count by tonnage, we can include the DeathStar in it. ;)

    Or considering, that we have some 36 ISD-sized ships plus Executor, we'd get the equivalent of 540-680 Victories/Venators.
     
  14. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Is one ISD really the equivalent of 18 Venators?
     
  15. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised. They are long but skinny.

    Wasn't Giel's Armada claimed to be the bigest concentration of ships in history, all to escort one alien creatures head? Then we have the Battle of Coruscant. There are quite a few "biggest concentrations of ships" in history. Almost like Death Star Plans or the Rebel's first major victory.
     
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  16. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Not that skinny. Something like 1/4 of the volume of an ISD - and the Incredible Vehicles ones, being bigger, may be more like 1/3.
     
  17. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    The Venator is pretty scrany, with the tail that sticks out the back a hundred or two meters, a tall narrow command tower, and relatively flat thin blade, compared to the ISD with massive terraces leading up to the tower, no rear hyperdrive fin, and far less space given over to empty hangar volume
     
  18. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    What matters may be the size of the reactor though.
     
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  19. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Ah, my bad. I thought you meant the Imperial fleet.

    Funny enough, in that shot you can see several Executor-like silvery things in the background. I thought they were Nebulons, but they lacked the slab-structure up front.
     
  20. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Wouldn't mind that at all. Hopefully something will mention the Victory now and make it automatically canon. Oh wait, there's always the ROTS novelization.;)
     
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  21. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Aren't they bits of the DS2's interior?

    Alternatively, they're:

     
  22. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Those silver "slivers" are side profiles for the MC80 cruiser. I would love to say they are Liberty-type cruisers, but it is impossible to tell.

    Do you have access to the Special Edition version of the final shot of the Rebel Fleet moving towards Endor? That particular image shows the most Mon Cal cruisers, but I forget the exact number. IIRC, at least six Home One-type and around eight wingless cruisers.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    This shot - only more detailed?

    [​IMG]
     
  24. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    It's out - list is over in the FFG thread.

    Nick: Don't be concerned about the Alliance ship list. Each of the EOTE sourcebooks added ships - most likely the concentration was on the Imperial ships because later supplements will focus on other Alliance vessels.
     
  25. anotherdemon

    anotherdemon Jedi Knight star 2

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    Largest concentration of star destroyers amassed.

    I highly doubt the 3 dozen at Endor massed anywhere near the amount over Coruscant, and that's just the portion of the battle we see over Coruscant.

    I'm guessing that author's intent was the largest concentration of the models of Star Destroyers in the OT.

    With that, were the "Attack Cruisers" called Star Destroyers in the RotS novel?
     
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