Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

All those 27,000 parts are actually just different varieties of those big console multicolored buttons and switches, no one makes those anymore.

 

Well in case of Gorse they produce a key material for Turbolaser cannons.

 

Allied with the "174,000 design flaws waiting to be exploited"?

 

So destroy or blockade Gorse and the people of the GFFA would have to look for something else to make war with?

I'm surprised something as large as an ISD has "only" sixteen million components (maybe they mean "different" components, even if they need a thousand hull-plates those would only count as one).

It is a pity, that otherwise great authors put such nonsense into their works. It detracts from the enjoyment and credibility. Alone for security or redundancy-purposes there should be more than one production-facility, especially in a galaxy-spanning military-industrial complex.

Legends, all legends I tell you.

 

Or just build less effective turbolaser cannons.

Read the book, it goes into detail on why exactly the galaxy-spanning military-industrial complex is the problem here.

 

Since I don't have the book yet, could you be bothered to elaborate?

 

It would spoil a lot of the plot and the motives of several characters.

 

Then why don't you just yub-nub off to another thread where you CAN spoil?

 

That's pretty stupid with certain parts only being produced in a single system.

You'd think they'd produce all parts in the same system as each shipyard. This way you don't have to rely on supplies from outside the system (that can be ambushed, or cut off for whatever reason).

Look what the Mon Calamari can do, for example, and they're tiny (really, really tiny) compared to the galaxy.

 

It has been established as an important part of Star Wars warfare for a long time now. I can't even begin to count the number of comics or video game levels where you have to take planet x because it is the only source of y, which is absolutely vital to basic Star Wars tech.

Heck, remember that lava world that produced 90% of the Core World's energy needs?


Plus, it serves as a good explanation for Star Wars as we see it - when the tech runs on various resources found on only a small number of worlds, you don't have a galaxy's worth of raw material to build big-huge fleets, you have those planet's worth of material to build what you can.

 

Good points.I think the extremely rare resource approach is certainly not the best aspect of the Star Wars universe, but it is what it is.

MercenaryAce, pretty much sums it up perfectly. In many instances, for the purposes of the story, the Galaxy seems to run on the resources of a singe star system or planet. Meanwhile, the rest of the Galaxy is not capable of making use of an alternative material or of having another technological work around. Unfortunate in my opinion, but again that's the way it is.

 

Only quesiton is, how did the MiningGuild manage to stay in business for as long as it did under those conditions?

More seriously, if that idea were true, it would have a bigger impact for the entire saga, if several key-resources are so rare, that they are limited to a single planet. Instead they are limited to the particular story they appear in and that was that. It is bad story-telling or (if we take the stories as more or less accurate retelling of actual events) hyperbole. Like uncounted scifi/fantasy-movies, where "the fate of the universe" is at stake and then it is just earth, that is threatened.

 

Also, when the term "the galaxy is at stake" is uttered, it usually involves who wins a battle in a given city on a random planet. I think I've heard that line hundreds of times in the course of SW stories and there were only two (real) Death Stars.

 

Shouldn’t the conclusion be that such things are the very reason why it even exists?

Except for that they kept showing up and getting mentioned again, WEG was especially good at this.

 

Lets borrow Arrakis from the Dune-universe and insert it into the GFFA to have an analog for the "only planet with a scare resource". In that case there should be thousands of battles throughout the entire saga for control over Arrakis (or Gorse or Mandalore or Illum) and not just the one or two for Coruscant or Kuat we have in every major GFFA-conflict. Either those resources are not as important as they are made out to be or they are wider-spread than claimed.

 

"The spice must flow", that's what usual goes through my head when the scarcity issues comes up in these stories. I agree with you, and I wish things would be different. I just do my best to block it out and enjoy the great warships, the tech, and lore that the Star Wars universe provides.

 

In the case of Gorse, the material they produce there is Thorilide used for the production of Turbolaser canons, they can be built without it but will be less effective if they don´t have it. In the past if could be gathered in various comets which were insanely rare, but did exists, by the time the Empire comes around they had run out of these comets so are now forced to either find a new world that has it (good luck with that), or strip as much from Gorse as they can. If they were to run out it would just hamper efficiency of new ships, not make it impossible to build new ones.

It´s the same with other such materials mentioned like Madilon from Nyriaan which is used to build better small scale hyerdrives, if you don´t have it, you can still do it, they just won´t work as well. Bespin Tibanna also springs to mind, of course there are other Blaster gases, Bespin Tibanna is just better at it. The list goes on and on with such things.


And this happens not just with building materials, Spice has this seen happen as well, with special potent kinds of it only on single worlds and such types just disappearing once they are mined out. Hell we even have an example with medical products where it happens with Kolto and Bacta, they are both key features of SW medical tech, produced on pretty much single planets, extremely limited in supply, but people can do without them, it just hampers them.

 

Not to mention commodities like Spice, which comes from Kessel and Naboo's moons.

 

So the supernova that created Thorilide - assuming it is an ore - was a "one of its kind"-thing? How is this supposed to work? It is bad story-telling, nothing more.

[quote="Gorefiend]
It´s the same with other such materials mentioned like Madilon from Nyriaan which is used to build better small scale hyerdrives, if you don´t have it, you can still do it, they just won´t work as well. Bespin Tibanna also springs to mind, of course there are other Blaster gases, Bespin Tibanna is just better at it. The list goes on and on with such things.[/quote]

Which is why Cloud-City is only "a minor outpost, that doesn't fall under the jurisdication of the empire" for the majority of Palpatine's rule. But enter WEG and Bespin is suddenly the most important Tibanna-gas-provider in the entire galaxy.

Spice, Kolto and Bacta work, because they are endproducts of biological processes. There is nothing wrong with different biospheres. Natural resources/elements created through the fussion of lighter elements into heavy ones only in single spots of the GFFA are.

 

Bespin isn't better at anything, it's just "a Tibanna gas mine" that no one's heard of in the movie.
What the movie took to be an unimportant outpost, too small to be noticed by both the Mining Guild and the Galactic Empire, gets trumped up in the EU (which is now non-canon) because it was a movie location. No other reason.

It's why Hoth is mentioned so often despite being a snowball with zero resource value.

Oh, I forgot, Bespin also had galactically known hotels and casinos. That were under the radar, apparently. Because they say that in the movie itself: Bespin was nothing, in the middle of nowhere, as far as the Empire was concerned. Until the Falcon went there.

 

If you actually want an answer to how it is created and why it is special, go read the book instead of just hating on it on principle.

Given that is one of the handful of places where they even have Tibanna that’s not much of a surprise and it is the only one mentioned where it comes naturally refined, though as mentioned you can use other stuff in its place.

You are aware that physics for Sci-Fi pretty much dies the moment faster than light speed happens? If you are already doing something impossible, you might just need more than normal technology and resources for it. Hell even Saxton could not come up with something better than magic fairy dust as fuel for it to work.

 

"Naturally refined". Yet the galaxy-spanning Mining Guild nor the Empire knew anything about this (in the now, non-canon universe). How exactly does that work, since the equally non-canon KOTOR comics depicted Bespin being up for prospecting 3,900 years earlier. Plenty of time to investigate.

 

I think TCW-era material (possibly in the novelization of the movie, possibly in one of the TCW-centric novels) also made a point of portraying Bespin as Important.

 

What part of "We are only a SMALL outpost and therefor don't fall under the jurisdication of the empire" is incomprehensable to the f...wits employed by LFL? Hasn't anyone of them watched TESB? Granted, the movie is more than thirty years old, but still ... .

 

Cloud City may be the "small outpost" with various other ones providing much larger contributions.

Tibannopolis is a "ghost town" now - but what was it in the Clone Wars?

Also - keep in mind that Vader had already arrived and forced Lando into "playing along" - so it's entirely possible that much of what Lando was saying was not completely true.