Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Hope we get a cross section of that crashed SSD! And a fixed (larger) size for the Home One (if it is still around)

 

I'd say some of the ships in the old ICS, having already been contradicted by newer material, are due an update. The Falcon springs to mind (it's not 27-odd m long), and the A-wing and TIE are drawn smaller than would fit with Rebels.

 

+1 for a mention of the Executor-class in the least. A name would be good, along with possible numbers built.

 

The A-Wing and TIE Fighter in Rebels appear to be different models, though.

 

The wings of the TIE are. But (based on the Databank and its resizing of the "standard" TIE from 6.4m to 8.99m) I would guess that the ball cockpit on the standard TIE is the same as that on the Lothal TIE - it's just that the Incredible Cross Sections version is undersized.



In the same way - the cross-section for the A-Wing is based on the assumption that it's more like 4.8m than 9.6m - despite the Databank using 9.6m as the length.





I figure that the difference between the Rebels A-wing and the ROTJ A Wing has to do with engines and guns - not length - and a new cross-section would work better.

 

The A-Wing is closer to 4-5 meters, though. Even the Rebels version.

And the cockpit ball from the OT TIE might be markedly different than the one in Rebels. I haven't seen any comparisons done.

All four should be given proper scaling based on what's shown in the films/shows for their respective ICS book, and they should be treated as separate but similar designs. Just like the Y-Wing in TCW compared to the OT.

 

What's shown in the films varies. The Falcon is an obvious example - some models suggest an 80ft Falcon, some suggest a Falcon of 120ft or so.

The 8.99m TIE length was the one used in the X-wing Miniatures game (I measured the model and that's about right given the 1:270 scale) - and in the back of the rulebook - it says they went right back to the original studio models to check the scale. I think it was at some point shortly after the game came out that the Databank revised the TIE Fighter.

It'd be interesting if the 9.6m A-Wing length had been worked out from going back to the studio models in ROTJ (ones used for the flight into the Death Star, where X-wings, A-Wings, and the Falcon all are seen together, from the outside) and worked it out from that. I know it was the figure West End Games came up with, at least - but I'd like to know if it's at all consistent with any of the models.

 

Honestly, sci-fi series of all kinds have always tended towards inconsistency in scaling ships. Star Wars probably isn't as bad about it as some others, but the idea that it can just be easily determined by looking at the films is a myth.

 

Yup. Even using models, one ends up having to pick and choose, to choose the "best" of several different sizes.

That's probably how we got the 34.75m Falcon in the first place. I'm wondering if the "full scale Falcon" for Episode VII will be about that size.

 

Depends.

If they use the same scales for say, fighters, then you can reasonably assume the size is based on an easily identifiable part, say the pilot's head.

Now, if they use various scales for the same, to mimic distance, then it's harder to get an accurate figure.

Star Wars has been pretty consistent with ships in comparison to other ships (Death Star II being where it's not consistent, as a good example), and errors from external sources have been the biggest nuisance overall.

 

New stuff from Lando #1:

Cool pleasure craft
Imperial shipyard above Castell

 

I know this thread is aimed at Capital Ship discussion, but I figured you brains would be best able to answer this question.

In ESB, when Captain Needa looses the Falcon, and goes to apologize to Vader, what kind of shuttle was it that flew between the two Destroyers? It wasn't a Lambda. I was thinking a DX-9, but it looks like it has some TIE style side panels. Was it ever (un)officialy designated or was it just a throwaway prop?

The more I look at it the more it looks like the panels from a Bomber or Advanced.

 

Literally, a TIE Shuttle. It's not named yet in the new canon, but that's the name it had in Legends. It was just a reuse of the bomber model. They made a profile on it where the bomb bay was turned into a passenger bay.

 

Yeah I pieced that together in my head and then felt stupid when that is exactly what it was. Thanks for the hasty response.

 

Yeah, a cool looking ship. Kinda suits its owner, really (perhaps a black hull).

Looks like a Minbari design.

 

Despite the name, this thread is about really everything in the GFFA that is self propelled. A focus on capital ships, fleets, and starfighters, but I recall discussions of ground vehicles, doctrine, and economics of production/shipbuilding methods as well. So welcome, and feel free to ask away/contribute.

On the Lando ship: looks less mimbari and more like a Silviut Corporation design- black, curved insectile-organic shape.

Also that is a relatively low-tech or old station, if it is built to rely on rotational gravity.

 

Nothing ground breaking, but here is Phoenix Home:

 

Crew of 200? The databank states a crew of 900. What's the correct number?

 

200 actually sounds more likely, with the 900 people capacity, but I guess we are back to the good old days of no one fact checking ship stuff

 

These are the old days man, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back!

 

what source is that any way? I thought these were the databank?

 

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J-type star skiff?
That one is just...weird to me. It's like a giant manta ray with engines

 

Though still better than the half-finished kit bash things and multi tower monstrosities otherwise in Ep3.

 

Gorefiend I'll take the Separatist Dreadnought and Venator-class (both of which you mentioned earlier).
For the Venator, I sincerely do not mind the general shape. However, it seriously boggles my mind that they need a command bridge sticking up that high. Of course the raised area protects the main reactor, but the bridge rises far above that.
As for the Dreadnought, I agree. It's like someone just sat there and said "stick this here...and this here...ooh! And this will look cool!" It needs the bow rounded, the observation platform lowered, the shield generator moved, and someone to get rid of the clutter. IMO, so much that could be changed to make it look better.

If we're talking about looking good, I'd much rather be caught flying in the J-type skiff than a Separatist Dreadnought. But I'd take the Jedi cruiser over the J-type any day