Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Just doing some quick, rough measurements with a ruler, that Interdictor has a beam of 1.125 inches, compared to the Star Destroyer's 1.375. So the Interdictor is just under 82% of the Star Destroyer's length. 82% of 1600 meters is 1312 meters.

But these are rough figures, and it could be that the hologram is not to scale.

 

But are we considering that to be accurate representation or is it possibly only a holographic representation of the ships position and they are not to scale??

as an aside...I just finished Empire's End....and the U-Wing apparently has a head/toilet/refresher.

 

I would say consider that an accurate representation till we get a better and more definitive answer.

Is there room for that? I mean maybe Incom changed the model a bit when they started making them again.

 

The other way I've seen for getting this Interdictor's length was - take the statement in the Concept Are Gallery about the Inquisitor's hangar being based on the Star Destroyer's hangar (it's shallower due to flat hull underside, but is same length and width)

http://www.starwars.com/tv-shows/star-wars-rebels/stealth-strike-concept-art-gallery

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https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/reb_ca_1772_5f782624.jpeg?region=0,0,2100,2033

then take the figure that's usually been obtained for hangar length on a 1600m Star Destroyer (188m) and use it as a basis for determining length of whole ship.

For those who have FFG Interdictor model - this is easiest - just measure hangar length in mm - work out scale (based on in-universe 188m length)-, measure hull length in mm, and apply scale.

 

One thing I noticed watching Rogue One this weekend was that the star destroyers have turbo-laser turrets on the center-line directly in front of the raised superstructure. You can see them here:

 

Those have been around for a while (the no longer quite canon Incredible Cross Sections makes note of them) but you are right in that Rogue One was the first to make them very visible on screen! Probably even used in the Battle of Scarif when Devastator went ape.

 

For TESB, there was a shot of a Devastator-type in front of the Executor, that showed the three centreline turrets:

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not sure exactly when in the movie it appeared though.

This site minimises the image because it is large - the Executor page

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor/Legends

might be a better place to see it full size.

 

I've stopped worrying about this so much. I mean, just using a real-world example of the Alreigh Burke-class Destroyers in the US Navy:

Within the Alreigh Burke-class there's currently Flight I (DDG-51-71), Flight II (DDG-72-78), Flight IIA (DDG-79-113). There's a multitude of external differences between ships that aren't accounted for by the flights (and in a class of only 63 ships currently):

-Early ships have the rear main radar arrays mounted level with the forward arrays, starting with Flight IIA the rear arrays were raised.
-Also beginning with Flight IIA was the addition of two helicopter hangers.
-Flight I ships have two missile reloading cranes located within each missile battery, starting with Flight II these were eliminated.
-Beginning with DDG-81 ships have a longer barreled 5" main deck gun.
-Early ships had two Phalanx CIWS, for a time ships were built with no CIWS, and now they are built with a single Phalanx CIWS.
-Starting with DDG-89 was a new funnel design that buries the ships funnels within the superstructure.
-Early ships have Harpoon missile tube racks near the stern of the ship (some ships carried 8 tubes and some 4 tubes), these have been eliminated in Flight IIA.
-There's plenty of differentiation between ships in the number and location of various sensors and antennae on the forward superstructure.
-DDG-91-96 have superstructure differences to accommodate the remote mine-hunting system and the Mk 32 torpedo tubes are moved to the missile deck from amidships as well.

The upcoming Flight III will feature new main radar arrays, and the last Flight IIA ships will have these new arrays as well.

And that's not exploring internal changes that aren't easily identified from a visual inspection of the ships!

I think this is quite common with naval vessels .. perhaps even space naval vessels!

 

RE: ISD's in Rogue One, there are also some visible turrets now flanking the main hangar.

As far as I'm concerned, they've always been there. I can easily accept that the older models weren't that detailed, plus that the old VFX basically had lasers coming from any surface that made the shot look cool. I'm super excited to see if we get a good look at weapons batteries on the MC80's now that models are more detailed and expanded on.

--Adm. Nick

 

I'd love to see a high detail collection of Rogue One Star Destroyer images from all major angles - something like Fractalsponge's ones.

 

Even Raddus's MC75 Profundity had visible weapons batteries.The majority are broadside on the collar (six turbolaser ports on each side), but there is also a visible turrent amidships too. I'd love to see where the torpedo launchers are, we just need a better look at the CGI model.

--Adm. Nick

 

The Complete Vehicles cross sections book shows Mon Cal cruisers with batteries of quad turbolasers hidden in the bulbs on the surface which have armored "windows" that roll up to expose them. I don't know whether Lucasfilm takes reference of the older cross sections books though. I do know that there are plenty of greebly bits and slits on the Home One model that could hide broadside batteries or something of the sort. This image is way too big to put in a post so here's the link: http://i.imgur.com/FWN93Ek.jpg

And don't forget, the Visual Guide called that big under-turret thing behind the ventral command mast on the MC75 an "Ordnance Pod" so it could be that any of those little stalks on the surface of MC cruisers could be housing weapons

 

I'm told that they did make heavy use of it when designing the Star Destroyers in Rogue One.

 

You are correct. That's what John Knoll said.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if that's how the 160km DS1 made its return as well (despite many newcanon sources suggesting 120km).

Does that mean we're likely to see gigatons mentioned in turbolaser contexts, too, in Episode XI or the Han Solo movie?

After a bit of searching - I've found it - it is right after Artoo escapes from the dragonsnake - this is the moment where we see Vader's helmet being lowered onto his head.

The ship flanking the Executor when it first arrives at Hoth is also a Devastator-type. The question is whether all these should be treated as "actually Imperial-IIs" (based on that one shot where Imperial-I changes to Imperial-II) or if the difference should be treated as real and the fleet as a mixed one including both classes.

I vote "mixed" but I think Wookieepedia seems to be voting "all Imperial IIs" based on that Pablo tweet.

 

Rebels has been good to us Fleet Junkies.

 

Not for those of us who want to see our ships survive ;~;

 

Is it too much to ask for them to actually put guns on a gunship

 

That is a bit odd. Pop-out panels maybe, that open to reveal hidden gun barrels?

 

they have guns on the Rogue One model and I think the ROTJ one too

edit: cant find any on the ROTJ model but its not exactly perfectly defined

 

Yeah, the Rogue One model is seen firing from just underneath the bow and from somewhere along the top of the ship.

 

Yeah, right after the two ISD's collide with the gate, we see a shot of a Dornean gunship firing from two distinct areas. There is also a CR90 corvette that fires in that scene as well.

One of my very few complaints about RO is that the Rebel Fleet basically never fires a shot save that one scene. It would have been nice to see the Profundity or one of the escort frigates open fire.

--Adm. Nick

 

This one shot is very clear, I think. As for the other guns...maybe those two tubes on top of the Rebels model?

 

Nice shot! The tubes (if we are thinking of the same thing) look almost more like missiles to me. Strangely there seem to be two more of those things in the ship that are partly exposed. Maybe those little things that are in the middle hanging down are blasters but they seems to small and kinda impractical. It's funny, we have all these ships yet sometimes they forget to actually give a clear sense of where they actually shoot from.

 

I believe a new warship pic, courtesy of the star wars sourcebooks facebook page, Imperial Razor-class Frigate: