Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

As much as I'd like that, that would have been extremely taxing on animation assets. While it's possible to have a hangar there, you'd need the armor plating to slide off to the side or flip open somewhere along the hull, and they clearly put a lot of effort already just into modeling the very highly greebled asset of the Nebulon, which, if you notice, has ZERO moving parts in the episode.

 

I would guess the hangar opening is at the rear of the deck just below the neck connection facing aft. It would be large enough to launch small fighters, but not shuttles or larger craft (hence the docking umbilicals). The hangar is probably sealed and armored on hospital ships, so no ESB confirmation. Based on the size, the hangar could probably hold two full 12-ship squadrons of TIE Fighters or one 12-ship squadron of X-Wings or Y-Wings.

 

There's a big flat space on the bottom of the rebels model, but that's not really an viable hangar entrance location considering all the space it'd have to cut through. Although you do get a better sense of scale for the ships in this image. The TIE fighters are appropriately small, but the fang fighter is enormous, an entire TIE isn't even as wide as the fuselage, it's almost the entire beam of a Nebulon.

 

I don't think that's the Fang, I think it's the Kom'rk Mando transport which is 68m long. It looks like the one Maul left behind on Tatooine.

 

Yeah that's the one I meant. I can never remember what the names are between the two mando ships we've seen. It's obviously not the smaller type Fenn Rau used on Concord Dawn.

 

The Fang is the smaller fighter class that seems to have been introduced in the Rebels era. The Kom'rk "Gauntlet" class is the bigger one used by Death Watch and Maul - the one in that picture is definitely Maul's former Gauntlet. Ezra uses it throughout Zero Hour.

 

Is there only 1 model Victory-class now?? I know they were brought back into canon...but do not recall seeing anything about MkI and MkII.

 

Fitting two dozen starfighters in the Nebulon-B has always been problematic. For starters, visually people are always going to draw the Nebbie similar to the Medical Frigate variant. To hit an internal hangar, you have to have a large, exposed hangar ala the X-wing computer game, but then you're basically using up a lot of space.

Given what we saw in Rebels with CR90's docking fighters, I'd almost prefer that the Nebbies have fighters attached via umbilical cords instead too. The only other option is for a rear facing hangar on the forward superstructure (below the strut connecting both ends of the ship), but even if they did that you'd be hard pressed to cram in two dozen snubfighters, repair bays, room for fuel/ordnance, etc.

--Adm. Nick

 

I think you could have multiple versions of it. Standard frigate/cruiser dedicated warship. Light Carrier variant with hollowed out hull for starfighter compartment and upkeep, minimal ship to ship weaponry. Medical Frigate variant with most of the modular hull internals converted to scientific/hospital space, and minimal ship to ship weaponry.

We know there must be some sort of different versions because the Rogue One cgi model is not the same as the ESB/ROTJ physical model (this version was stylized for Rebels).

 

Could only have it hold 12 fighters. Looking at the space in the cross sections book I think that would work out.

 

Eh, cross sections book is a bit iffy. Given what we've seen on screen, that painting looks to be twice the scale - a 600m ship! Not that I'm necessarily opposed to that idea, and Star Wars always plays fast and loose with internal size as necessity demands, but curse Complete Vehicles for coming out right before the canon purge!

 

The implication from the cross section book was that the patient wards in the front section are converted hangars. Not necessarily hangars in the sense of Home One, but more like single or double fighter launch bays. So instead of a single hangar, the ship would have a large number of smaller ones.

So the room where Luke gets treated and looks out of could be a bay for an X-wing to launch from as well. Why else would they have such a wide window (other than movie cool)? It looks just wide enough for an X-wing.


I saw some site explained these as "shielded view ports that can double as emergency boarding points", which sounds made up.

 

It turns out they are using the older Incredible Cross Sections as references - even if they themselves haven't (yet) been rereleased under the newcanon banner the way Complete Locations was:

https://www.wired.com/2016/11/john-knoll-rogue-one-star-wars/

Knoll’s job also requires painful, almost microscopic scrutiny. At one point he reviews a Star Destroyer torn in half in battle—the reflections, the textures, the realism of the bent metal. The model maker is working from the book Incredible Cross-Sections of Star Wars: The Ultimate Guide to Star Wars Vehicles and Spacecraft to make sure that what an audience sees inside the ship matches what’s known about Star Destroyers. No one wants to be the subject of a subreddit dedicated to power converters and the jerks who put them in the wrong place.

(it's close to the end of the article)

Maybe Complete Vehicles with its Nebulon-B pic, is being drawn on by the Rogue One writers as well?

 

Nah, he's using the ICS to the OT only, the one from 1998 not the 2013 CV update. Or at least, that's all the article made explicit mention of, though it's possible they might have access to it. Even so, the design in CV is long and lean, even more so than the actual original ILM kitbash, similar to the old Anigrand model kit. The one in RO is a bit stubby and far thicker in proportion. And as I noted a while ago they added all those new guns to it. It's quite an interesting and original model that keeps all the necessary visual cues while innovating. That's necessary, as the original prop has deteriorated, so I'm pretty sure they started more or less from scratch. You can see lower res versions in the big reference books, most recently that Ultimate Encyclopedia. I'll post a phone pic if I get it.

 

That was what I was guessing at - at least for Rogue One and/or Rebels, it makes sense that Leland or Pablo would give them that picture, at least as a starting point.

 

Maybe. What puzzles me though is why/how Filoni and co. made an extremely stylized Nebulon B in Rebels that hews almost identically to the original physical prop in terms of parts and greebles (but not so much on proportion), while the far more realistic and impressive R1 model took so many liberties with the minor details.

 

By the way, if anybody's interested, here's the closest clean comparison I could cobble up.

 

Very nice!

I have a very soft spot for this ship, always loved it. To answer your question, I think perhaps the RO people just thought that as they were destroying them, and knew that they weren't making the Redemption from ESB, they deliberately took liberty with the original model.

 

I would think the opening would be maybe twice as large...both in height and in width. put one on each side and that would be ae deck level and have the mag con field. Then TIE fighter racks above.

 

I think that is a good example of style over practicality. rebels loves making its ships look cool and match the concept art and films while RO did a great job of making its ships more functional in the universe. Like actually putting cannons on ships.

 

It also makes sense that a majority of the guns were removed from the medical frigate, likely to add to ships meant to see combat regularly.

 

After the Imperial Surrender do you think companies would dust off old designs and update them for military/PSFs sales?

Take the Z-95 for example. Would Subpro dust off the old designs, look at what people were doing in the aftermarket with old fighters, and start up new production with standardized upgraded systems? In effect making a Z-95 MkVII (or whatever) that would perform at the same standard current generation space superiority starfighters. Modern engines, laser cannons, missile/torpedo launchers, shields, etc...

 

I'd like to see that.....maybe even an updated version of the Jedi starfighters. Think of all the customers that would buy a Anakin Skywalker Commemorative Eta-2 Interceptor.....

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I mean, have you SEEN the new A-Wing?