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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Star_Desperado

    Star_Desperado Jedi Knight star 3

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    yeah I think they're sorta neat, not the best possible design for it but not bad
    they're better imo than those heavy TIE bombers with 2 or 4 pods (like the Punisher in FFG's X-wing) that's a bit too over the top for me
     
  2. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    The TIE/fo was a lazy excuse for an "improved" starfighter. Having it look exactly the same but still telling fans "It's better" is just lazy. If they really wanted to sell the idea of an improved design, it would have to look new and improved---not the same as the old.
     
  3. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Master star 3

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    I don't know about you but the laziest design for me in TFA was the first order Assault lander. I just think it's lazy even to a science fiction movie... even for star wars...
    It's too practical and realistic for star wars and out of all the vehicles in TFA seems the most just out of place to me in it's unoriginality
    It's trying to copy a WW2 Higgins boat way too much...
     
  4. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I could see the general look working but it needed more stuff to be thrown on it. Maybe a cockpit separated from the body that is elevated above the rest of it a bit or something unique like that.

    Hot damn that this is cool looking.
     
  5. JediBatman

    JediBatman Jedi Master star 4

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    TheNerdyOne_ We'll have to agree to disagree, IMO the differences are minimal, and the color of the solar panels do little to change that opinon.

    I like the U-boat looking drop ships, it differentiates itself from the Imp shuttles and LAATs we've seen before, and it's stark design fits the Empire First Order.

    I must be the only one who doesn't care for the Resurgent class design. I think it's more innovative than the TIEs, but I don't like the asymmetrical bridge with the deflector shield bubble on only one side, and it looks like someone squished a Star Destroyer to make it fit in a storage container. It might be just the way it looks in certain shots though, I do like the top-down view.

    This view? Bleh.
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    This view? Nice.

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  6. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah, the Resurgent-class is one of those mixed bag designs that looks good from some angles, and not so good from other angles.
     
  7. TheNerdyOne_

    TheNerdyOne_ Jedi Knight star 2

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    I definitely agree, I think pretty much everything in the First Order was way too similar to old Imperial designs, and doing so was a real wasted opportunity. I really liked a lot of the concept art for the movie though, I wish they would have stuck with those designs instead.
     
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  8. Nobody145

    Nobody145 Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah, the Resurgent-class is kind of ugly. The Cross-sections artwork isn't that bad, but we barely got any good shots of it from TFA. On the one hand I don't mind ugly, given the First Order's a different beast than the Empire, having built it in the Unknown Regions, so having it look a bit cobbled together kind of fits. It still wouldn't excuse the movie's laziness but if they said they kept the TIE design due to lack of resources, it wouldn't have been so bad. And at least the sourcebook reference the shorter bridge to avoid something like an A-wing crashing into it, as well as it being something like battlecruiser size, as the First Order can't produce as many Star Destroyers as the Empire could. One of those books (Visual Guide? Cross-sections?) speculate the First Order could have something even bigger in reserve in the Unknown Regions, so we'll see how TLJ goes.

    Something like the Pellaeon-class or the KotOR Interdictor would sure look nicer, but I don't mind them going for ugly and intimidating either. Now if only we could see it do something rather just loom in a few short scenes.
     
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  9. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The Resurgence I am good with...but I would think it would look better if it was a little more symmetrical. And I said before....they should have used the TIE Avenger for the 'new' FO standard TIE.

    As for being built in the Unknown Regions....I was under the impression that Sheev had established territory out there to exploit resources but was keeping it on the DL...so there may very well have been full shipyards out there to repair ships and build new ones.
     
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  10. JediBatman

    JediBatman Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, if the FO was strapped for resources, they wouldn't exactly have been able to make a third Death Star.
     
  11. Darth_Lilapso

    Darth_Lilapso Jedi Master star 1

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    About them ships from Episode VIII-The Last Jedi...
    I'm of the school of thought that those ships belong exclusively to the Corellian star system's PSF. I also think they are likely T-wing Starfighter-Bombers. The director Rian Johnson has said that the WWII film Twelve O'Clock High was an influence on TLJ. The ships seen in TLJ teaser look like SW versions of WWII bombers built with Corellian aesthetics. Why a T-wing moniker? Well if you look at the CGI renderings posted on this thread you might notice that from a front or back view the teaser ships are shaped like the letter T. The two stubby S-foils near the cockpit form the horizontal line of the T. While the thick vertical S-foil / module forms the vertical line of the T. Plus the turbolaser blisters attached to the tail and bottom of the large S-foil / module add to the WWII bomber-like look. Meanwhile the A-wing Starfighter-Interceptors also likely belong to the Corellian PSF. They serve as escorts for the T-wings. Or maybe it's a trifecta - X-wings seen belong to the Resistance. The T-wings belong to the Corellian PSF. The A-wings belong to a surviving element of the New Galactic Republic Starfleet. In other words an impromptu alliance forms against the First Order.
     
  12. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    I hate the Resurgent. The underbite is so ugly! Also I hate the command bridge; How would the captain even see the battle?
     
  13. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't like the looks of the Resugence-class either. However, perhaps the Captain would be in the CIC - Combat Information Center - in the heart of the ship instead of on the bridge during an engagement.
     
  14. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    We can make up all the excuses we want, but the reason ST designs are so similar to OT designs is because the the ST is a series of remakes masquerading as sequels. The FO TIE looks like a TIE/LN because TIE/LNs are the iconic Imperial fighter. The Resistance flies X-Wings because X-Wings are the iconic Rebel fighter.


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  15. TheRedBlade

    TheRedBlade Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I present to you the T-70 X-Wing:

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  16. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I keep coming back to this image cause it really intrigues me.
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    It looks almost like a CR90 but its middle engines missing. As well as what seems to be a protrusion on the bottom of the hull.
     
  17. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    DP..............20


    get it cause.......ok I'll stop.

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  18. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    [​IMG]I prefer the look of the concept Millennium Falcon for the DP20....the added detail around the engines looks better to me that just the big block.
     
  19. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Retired Fleet Admiral star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's a bad cut/paste job of a CR90 corvette on the matte painting. Or one that intentionally makes it look like a slightly different shape to flesh out the fleet in ROTJ.

    A lot of the scenes in the Endor space battle have pictures of various capital ships cut and glued to the matte. There is also the case of the rumor that the VFX guys using gum wads on mattes to add extra MC80's. I'm not joking, look: ;)

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    Yellow circles could be the chewed gum!

    --Adm. Nick
     
  20. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It looks to me like a CR90 where they took the hammerhead and rotated it 90 degrees so it forms a cross with the engines.
     
  21. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Ha ha!! Man I wish Rogue One had GCI gum ships at some point just for the fun of it.
     
  22. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    I can see how this assignment would have a consensus support. I know of one frame where a lateral view of a distant (miniaturized by rephotographing) Nebulon B has no neck/spine, leaving two otherwise amorphous objects. And a forward view of similarly miniaturized Wingless Liberties lose their shadowed parts in the exposure, leaving gray potatoes. So I can buy that a lateral view of extremely miniaturized Liberties could lose much of the 'shadowed' part of their ventral hull and dorsal hull, leaving mainly a brighter area along their waterline. Thus their stretched look is due to the flattening of the second exposure.

    The yellow circles in the image on this page are the remaining bright areas of wingless Liberties, after miniaturizing by re-photographing film at some distance. You can see how the wingless Liberty in red circle, left side, is duplicated in general sense by the yellow circle immediately behind it, but it's missing a level of detail like its observation stalk and some pinpoints and also the ventral shadowed areas. (Note the two remaining pinpoint highlights and the notch to the immediate right.) Extrapolate that process to other photographs of the wingless Liberty taken with different lighting angles, and get a sense of the paint job differences between wingless Liberty and Liberty, and then add rotations, horizontal and vertical mirroring, as well as greater distance during re-photography. If one puts in the time and get to know the wingless Liberty morphology, including handedness, one can see that those potato gum wads are photographic and reduction variations on the studio model seen in left foreground. Anyone can demonstrate it to themselves. Having two large monitors can make it a faster process, because there are 50-60 movie frames and BTS images to zoom in on and compare. (IMHO :) )

    Bona fide mystery, that ship. You highlight one redemption to that mystery, that it does fit the bill of some type of vertical hammerhead evolution of those corvettes of RO. Hammerhead head, Corellian corvette tail, battle droid khaki paint job.
     
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  23. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I doubt we will ever get another battle with as much production history and guesswork as the Battle of Endor.
     
  24. Star_Desperado

    Star_Desperado Jedi Knight star 3

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    I doubt we will ever get another battle as good as the Battle of Endor period.
     
  25. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    BoE is an onion.

    If anyone gets the craving for analogues of Ackbar's protest, "We won't last long against those Star Destroyers!", may I recommend a cursory glance at Battle of Samar and Taffy 3. The following is an audio book of the event with accompanying period photography.

    JOHNSTON - The Defenders of Taffy 3
     
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  26. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Sorry. I meant they took the hammerhead bridge of the CR90 corvette and rotated it to get a different look. With the bridge hammerhead perpendicular to the engine module. Having looked at it again, I'm pretty sure that's what they did for that ship.