Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

I wouldn't take anything from these gimmicky "reference" books too seriously, especially when they contradict what's shown on screen.

 

Not sure. I got these from someone who posted it on the subreddit I run; I don't personally have the book.

 

Considering the Lightmaker had controlled contact with an ISD and tehre was damage to the hull....I would imagine that a ship crashing into the Devastator's hull would have left some damage. That is why I am saying shield impact.

 

The lighting on the first impact pic does look like a shield effect. The actual explosion you can see is both inside and outside of the lateral trench, so either it hit the shields and penetrated, or shields tend to be far more contoured to the hull than usually assumed (which does have some evidence from the N-1 shields in TPM)

 

Yep.....it was a GR75 accelerating to lightspeed. That's a lot of kinetic energy for the Devastator to shrug off.

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I would probably lean towards a shield impact with the Devastator as well, though then again, I would have also thought shielding would of helped the Intimidator when it collided with the Persecutor at Scraif. The effectiveness, or the inclusion of ray and kinetic shielding, just seem to be subject to the plot at the time, much like the speeds of Star Wars vessels and fighters.

 

I dunno, the Star Destroyers took pretty good damage to shields in the asteroid field in ESB, and a collision with another entire ISD is a lot bigger and tougher than an asteroid.

 

Maybe particle shields have the Dune effect going on, where slow moving objects can pass through, trusting not to do much damage or that armor will stop slow moving threats, while faster moving objects are blocked. Would make things like docking and fighter operations easier if they could pass through. The ISD collision would just be a problem of two much mass with the same armor going right through the shields.

 

This has been bugging me for a while, why if the Nebulon B Frigate was developed as an Imperial escort vessel does it never show up in any books or on Rebels with the Empire using it?

 

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So far, the new canon doesn't state that the Nebulon-B frigate is a Imperial warship. This is very much, to the best of my knowledge, something still firmly just in the old Legend EU.

It is a Kuati design in the new canon, but for all we know it could be a vessel from the Clone Wars or before. It could also be a Kuati design that was sold directly to planetary defense forces, such as Chandrila. That would help explain why the vessels are so common in Rebel service.

I keep hoping for someone to define the Nebbies history in the NEU, maybe our heroes jasonfry or Dan Wallace will once day!

--Adm. Nick

 

I think it's been suggested by Star Wars Rebels that they're a common standard cheap Planetary Defense Force type vessel, more to defend against pirate raids or hold out til the "real" warships (by the Empire era, of course that would be star destroyers) get there, which explains why they're so easy for Rebels to acquire. Chandrila and Alderaan and Commenor and Corellia and all these sympathetic core worlds and such are probably trying to "lose" them as often as possible.

Also I had a bit of inspiration the other day when I thought up of a new potential Mon Cal cruiser design. Considering they tend to evoke aquatic animals (MC80s - cetaceans, MC75 - sharks, MC30 - remora, Mon Remonda - rays) I had a hell of a time figuring out a distsinctive and recognizable platform that might work but had an epiphany when I remembered Atlantis: The Lost Empire - the lobster shaped Leviathan. You could have an upper hull like a backwards MC80 Liberty, all organic and bumpy, and the keel side of the hull would be bare and greebly and industrial like conventional Ralph McQuarrie designs; sort of like a less evil-looking Munificent or Recusant.

I just wish I had a minimum of artistic talent to render my idea :\

 

Rebels dropped the ball on the Neb Frigate....they could have had one as an Imperial escort that a group of rebels steal. They could also have shown where it carries fighters...if it still does.

 

I wouldn't say Rebels dropped the ball. I think this is a very conscious decision to not make the Nebs Imperial.
They're really going for the flying space wedge thing with Imperial ships and the Nebs don't fit with that.

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Triple post - sorry!

 

I don't even know what the post it was that was getting copied I think you accidentally deleted your original. I think I've figured out how to stop multi-posting - click "Post Reply" and wait until it works, each time you click it again while it's "Loading..." it'll post again.

 

Help us Dan and Jason, you're our only hope

 

Good catch on the MC30 frigate being similar to a remora. While not currently canon, I've always been fond of the MC80B's manta ray appearance. I've long argued that the MC80B hull is the Rebel answer to the ISD's wedge shape. It's a organic spade shape, with the ability to place weapons along the hull with wide ranges of fire.

As for MC80's being cetaceans, nothing ever captured that better than Dark Empire:





--Adm. Nick

 

So they're... Whaladon-shaped?

 

Whales freak me out. I mean, they're so big, and the ocean is so empty.

I'd be a very bad Mon Cal.

 

In that case....a line or 2 in dialogue to define what the new canon role is.

 

Maybe we'll get that next season. The Phoenix cell that we've mainly followed doesn't even use Nebulon-Bs, so it's not a surprise we don't know where Dodonna got his.

 

Now I'm struggling to remember what I posted in the first place!

I do like the idea of the Nebulon-Bs coming from sympathetic Alliance worlds donating/losing ships from their planetary defence forces.

We've already had the capturing of the Quasar-Fire class by Phoenix Cell (plus the hijacking of the Harbinger in the comic), so I can't see them going down that route again for the Nebulon-Bs.

 

Pre-Mon Cala joining the Alliance, the Alderaanians were the true "arsenal of the Rebellion". This is confirmed in several NEU sources, notably the RO Visual Guide. So it's save to infer that a good chunk of the CR90 corvettes (Alderaanian corvettes ) and Hammerhead corvettes were either donated to the Rebellion or "captured", ala Lothal. Bail worked tirelessly to give the cells access to weapons, he's also the guy helping them find A-wings and Y-wings to fill out their squadrons early on.

The Dorneans, assuming that they are the same in the NEU canon, are another world with Alliance sympathies, given all the gunships they donate. We've already discussed that the Nebulon-B frigates are still up in the air, so they could be donated ships from a Rebel aligned world like Chandrila or ships captured. Regardless, they are ubiquitous enough in Rebel service that they gain the nickname "Rebel Cruisers".

That's not to discount ship captures. We've seen Pelta-class frigates, Quasar Fire-class carriers, and Gozanti-class transports in Rebel service. I don't doubt that capturing Imperial ships is still a source of ships for the Alliance, I'd personally love to see a captured Arquitens-class light cruiser with Rebel markings.

Lastly, we all know the story of the Mon Calamari. Slightly different than the old EU version, but broadly the same. They donate their ships to the Rebel cause and the secret Telaris shipyards start retrofitting MC75's & MC80's in earnest. This, coupled with the new X-wings and B-wings coming into service, gives the Alliance the added punch it needs to face the might of the Imperial Starfleet.

--Adm. Nick

 

I really like the new story of the Mon Cal, how they all turned on the secret rocket boosters hidden in their buildings and said "f this" the minute the Imperials started pushing in, pure anglo banter.

I don't know where Jan Dodonna is from in the new canon, it's not mentioned or implied anywhere except Commenor in the old EU, but it says in the ROVG that he's wearing a tactician's overcoat Alderaan style, so he may have been retconned to be from there. Other planets mentioned in the ROVG as the homes of Rebels that could be PDF sources for Nebulons and CR90s and such:
- Virujansi
- Pendarr III
- Uyter
- Taldot
- Taris
- Ertegas
- Mykapo
- Eriadu
- Corellia
- Denon
- Yelsain
- Generis
- Fresia
- Atrisia
- Ord Mantell

 

A True Fleet Junkie comment if there ever was one, I for one have been dying to see the introduction of Corellia to the Rebellion. So far in the new cannon we have yet to see any mention of Corellia. This is very sad as in the EU Corellia was where one of the first major Alliance segements came from. What the Alliance needs at the point where Rebels is is a larger number of medium sized capital ships, ie the above mentioned Arquintens class and similar sized vessels to stand up to the SD's and such. CR-90's, Hammerheads, GR-75's and Braha'tok's are great but as the Battle of Attalon proved with the destruction of nearly all of the Alliance vessels they cannot stand up to SD's for very long. That's why I was hoping for the Corellians so they can provide some medium Cruiser class or something to the Rebellion.