Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

I'm curious if the Resistance heavy cruiser Raddus is part of the battle in the opening, or if it is where the Resistance leadership retreats too post-D'Qar. I can kinda see it standing in for the Medical Frigate, ala the end of TESB. I'm hoping it survives the battle/movie, cause it is an awesome looking ship!

Any guesses on it's formal designation? I'm guessing it will be an MC85, just because it was created immediately post-Endor and we have the precedent of the prior designs to the MC80 being the MC75, so it's logical.

--Adm. Nick

 

I'd prefer they go with something a little bit different, not so immediately progressive and not divisible by 5. MC-101 for example? Or perhaps as the first in a line of purpose-built dedicated warships rather than converted city-ships, a really small number - MC-4

 

Maybe this is our first look at an in canon MC90


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It's interesting that while the New Republic was hesitant to build up it's military that it still managed to crank out some new capital ships during the last year of the war. Three Starhawk-class battleships and (presumably) some of these 3km Mon Calamari heavy cruisers like the Raddus.

I'm wondering if part of the reason that the Starhawk's were hard to pass through the Senate was because they had already authorized the Mon Calamari to start building a new line of warships and felt that another was excessive. The New Republic also may have been more comfortable with Mon Calamari warships due to their historical connection to the Alliance as well.

Either way, I'm hoping that there are more cruisers out there like the Raddus!

--Adm. Nick

 

Please stop talking about the Starhawk.

Every time I see that name, I yearn for some official art. My poor heart can't take it.

 

Yeah. I would love to see a official picture of a Starhawk.

 

I want official art of the battle of Jakku, with Home One, the Raddus, and the Concord all engaged with the Imperial Fleet above the Ravager.

--Adm. Nick

 

All the more reason I plan on getting Battlefront 2.


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It pains me to say it but we probably won't be seeing anything but CR90s, Nebulon Bs, MC80 Liberties, and maybe GR75s. It takes a lot to model extant designs, let alone new ones, and they already spent their time promoting the Raider corvette.

 

All the more reason I plan on getting Battlefront 2.


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I'd rather a joint Quarren-Mon Calamari venture behind Raddus and its sisters and not just the latter species.

Seems more fitting for the world to come together after TCW and the galactic civil war tore them apart, when galactic peace or close enough to it comes about after RotJ.

 

If they follow the angle that the old EU took, the Quarren were always a key part of the shipbuilding program. They had the access and ability to mine large numbers of ores that were used in the construction of the star cruisers. I'm assuming that this is no different in the NEU. The Quarren have always been a bit more isolationist and less inclined to sparfaring than their Mon Calamari neighbors, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't want to benefit from New Republic shipbuilding contracts.

As for the Raddus, when you consider that the awesome jasonfry is writing the novelization for TLJ and amazing Pablo Hidalgo is writing the movie's visual guide, I fully expect all kinds of cool details and back history for this new Mon Cala heavy cruiser, the Resistance bombers, the Supremacy, and the Mandator IV.

--Adm. Nick

 

The Supremacy doesn't seem like a ship that would ever be used in front-line combat. I see it more as a cross between the Star Forge and Deep Space Nine.....a mobile base that orbits a planet long enough to strip its resources while it builds and services FO warships. It may even have rec facilities for FO crews. Snoke's section is probably sealed off from the rest and difficult to access.....like the Emperor's Tower on DSII.

.....and I wouldn't be surprised to see a superlaser or two, either.

 

I doubt Supremacy would even be assailable from the outside.

Echo Base, which was smaller, could withstand any bombardment from Executor and its escorts (no doubt due to the large power generation which gave it strong shields and powered the ion cannon). I doubt the Resistance can muster that much firepower in ships.

 

I think Echo Base being built into a planet might have contributed to that - the planet being usable as a heat sink for waste energies. Thus, its shield may be more powerful than a corresponding 'spaceship shield' would be.

 

Yeah, but I'd factor in the size of Supremacy to offset any natural air cooling you get from a planet. Echo Base wasn't all that big, but it didn't need to power propulsion, FTL and life support of an equivalent size warship.

Supremacy is going to have very high power generation, and if it doesn't need to power a super weapon of some kind, its shields should be impenetrable outside of an equivalent mass fleet/vessel (or a massive hull-hugging fighter attack with proton torpedoes; which would probably be thousands of fighters if there's no specific weak spot).

Kinda like a Trade Fed. BB, just taken to the extreme. They were pretty much unassailable outside of internal attack or a Venator turning itself into a missile.

 

That depends on how strong the shields are, and whether the Resistance has enough firepower to break through even a small section. For instance, the Executor outgunned anything in the Rebel fleet but they managed to destroy its bridge (although the Resurgent-class was designed with that in mind too). Certain circumstances helped a lot too with the Executor's destruction (the Emperor's orders to hold back, a nearby gravity well, etc.) but still.

Hopefully it won't take another few decades to build a fleet that would have even a chance of taking on the Supremacy (at least Mon Cala wasn't blown up).

 

At what point do we say something is a ship and at what point do we say it is a mobile space station? Does size and shape actually play into that as well?

The DS is a space station not just because of its size but also shape?? But the Supremacy...even though it is so large....is shaped like a ship??

 

also fits in with the narrative of the first order being on the move and able to hide so at the drop of a hat they can move there whole fleet and remain hidden and a step ahead of the republic/resistance

 

This is why I think it's very likely the Raddus will either be a Defender-class or Viscount-class. jasonfry knows the fleet junkies are his people, and he feeds us well.

 

Wouldn't the vacuum of space be the ultimate heat sink?

 

Is it just me or does the Raddus look like a giant, elongated Dreadnought? Though that might just be the angle.

 

JABoomer
I'm no physicist, and I only just barely comprehend thermodynamics, but I think the reason the vacuum of space does not work as a cooling element is because you need to transfer heat energy from your atoms to other atoms, and there are so few atoms in space that it is far too inefficient to cool down your colossal ship. It would be more practical to go into atmosphere, where all the gas atoms can take your heat off you. By all means though, correct me if I'm wrong, I do not make any claim to scientific authority on this matter.

 

You are quite right, as space/vacuum contains no particles, conduction and convection will be impossible. That leaves spacecraft with the method of radiation to exhaust excess heat. Space would still be considered a heat sink in this case as far as I know.