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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    Did we get a better angle on that Neb B?? Showing more of a 3/4 front angle??
     
  2. Star_Desperado

    Star_Desperado Jedi Knight star 3

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    Not in that scene, it's just a short shot of the Nebulon approaching
    Lirasan
    . I do have other angles of the Rebels Nebulon B from different episodes, and a few interior shots if you'd like me to post/repost them.
     
  3. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I loved the paint on those X-wings in the epilogue of Rebels. That's now my default look for post-Jakku NRDF X-wings. :D

    One minor spoiler from TLJ novelization. Well, less of a spoiler and more of a cool easter egg/name drop:

    When things appear hopeless on Crait, Leia wishes for a miracle in the form of Luke arriving with a fleet of "Jedi battleships" or Inferno Squad arriving with a fleet of Starhawks. Very cool name drops!

    --Adm. Nick
     
  4. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Youngling

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    OH. MY. GOD!!!! I MUST KNOW MORE ABOUT THESE TWO NEW MON CALA SHIPS! THIS IS SOO EXCITING, MORE NEW MON CALA SHIPS! I'M SO HAPPY! I MIGHT BE OVERREACTING BUT MON CALA SHIPS ARE MY FAVORITE!
     
  5. Nobody145

    Nobody145 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Dangit, I'm really tempted to buy the issue, even with the horrible character art. I never expected another flying wing Mon Cal design, after it showed up once in the Legacy comics (I think that was the only time?).

    Well, maybe a later issue. The rest of the art is still too much of a negative.
     
  6. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Jedi Master star 4

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    looks like a cool fleet
     
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  7. Star_Desperado

    Star_Desperado Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well we're guaranteed to see more ships in the future given that this arc is all about the liberation of Mon Cala but there's no other shots in that issue, and the next one in the arc won't be coming out for a few weeks. Even with the guarantee of new models in canon, I wouldn't place any bets on Frankenstein Larocca-traces showing up again outside the comic. Even in comics with better art, there are few ships that have made any lasting impression.
     
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  8. TheRedBlade

    TheRedBlade Jedi Master star 4

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    If somewhat lazy artwork is how we get a bunch of old designs recanonized,I'm ALL for it. Maybe someone should send this guy pictures of Baron Fel. Or some K-Wings.

    Are those NRDF X-Wings, or Ahsoka's personal guards/disciples/whatever? The blue-and-white trim seems at least influenced by her markings.

    I'd also like to see the NRDF keep with the Rebel tradition of letting squadrons do their own riff on white fuselage/colored stripes thing, or revert to the traditional Republic Red as their default color scheme. Let the Resistance claim blue trim to differentiate them from the NRDF (though really, I want color-matched squadrons for them, too).
     
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  9. Long Snoot

    Long Snoot Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Considering they are escorting to surface Ashoka's shuttle (who isn't part of the alliance as far as we know) and their Sabine-like paintjob, I would assume they are meant to be part of the "Lothal defence force" instead of the alliance/new republic navy.
     
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  10. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Master star 3

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    Star Wars is often referred to as WWII in space. Despite this, one design we have never seen (to my knowledge) is a capital ship outfitted like the naval warships of that era, with large primary gun batteries. What that might look like in the context of Star Wars is a double-sided, double-ended warship with primary gun batteries, secondary batteries, and smaller, anti-starfighter turrets.

    The Marauder-class corvette does have two large turbolaser clusters, but not in a typical turret configuration. The Sovereign and Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer have their superlasers, but these far outclass what I'm talking about. The primary turbolaser turrets on Imperial-class star destroyers are perhaps the closest example, but aren't quite on the same scale relative to something like the 16"/50 caliber Mark 7 guns on an Iowa-class battleship.

    Has anything like this existed thus far in a GFFA? I suppose it could be explained as some sort of turbolaser technology limitation.
     
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  11. Tzizvvt78

    Tzizvvt78 Jedi Master star 5

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    The Malevolence seemed like something like that. Filoni even called it like a Bismarck battleship.
     
  12. Star_Desperado

    Star_Desperado Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well let's see, by memory:
    • Lucrehulks - bristling with quad turbos
    • Acclamators - 6 or 8 quad turbos and torpedo tubes (more of a large frigate really)
    • Venators - 8 heavy dual turbos, 2 dual turbolaser barbettes, countless broadsides and point defense
    • Munificents - dozens of little turbolasers, 2 huge prow cannons late in the war (traversable?)
    • Malevolence - Ion broadside petards, hundreds of little turbolasers
    • Arquitens - 4 quad turbos and 2 dual barbettes (frigate)
    • Recusants - dozens of little turbolasers, 2 large prow cannons (traversable?)
    • Providence - seems specialized to broadsides and point defense
    • ISD - 8 heavy turret emplacements, countless broadsides and point defense
    • Executor - countless invisible weapons
    • MC80s - countless invisible weapons, huge ion cannon broadsides
    • MC75s - broadside and point defense specialization, plus the ordnance pod
    • Peltas - 2 prow cannons, 2 triple turbo turrets, 4 small dual turrets (frigate)
    • Nebulons - prow cannons, 2 dual side turrets, lots of little turrets (frigate)
    • Interdictors - at least 4 waistband quad turbos
    • Resurgents - countless little guns, 8 huge quad turbos
    • MC85s - 18 huge single turbo barbettes hidden in blisters
    • Bunkerbusters - 2 dual turbos, 4 little guns, 3-4 bomb ketches (frigate)
    • Mandators - 24 turbolaser towers, 2 colossal bombardment cannons
    • Mega - countless colossal turbolaser artillery towers
    As far as I'm aware that's all the prominent canon ships with significant visible weaponry. Of these, the only ones that fit the role of dedicated proper battleship by conventional modern sea-based naval classification, is the Executor, with everything else being specialized for versatility, namely the ability to carry fightercraft, an ability not possessed by waterbound vessels, or else fitting the classic pre-dreadnought definition of ships-of-the-line. It is highly unlikely we will ever see the kind of ship we associate with battleship thanks to popularization between 1914-1945 in Star Wars on a larger scale vessel (i.e. excluding the smaller ships with more conventional layouts, such as the CR90 or Gozanti) owing to the general pointlessness of it.
     
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  13. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Master star 3

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    The question I was asking is have we ever seen a ship where the primary weapons turrets come close to the size proportions (turret vs overall ship size) that cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships displayed in WWII. I'm not comparing role, or number of weapons, only the size of the main battery compared to the size of the ship.

    The Executor-class certainty does not qualify. It may if fact be the best example of the opposite, if you look at the ratio of largest turret emplacement vs overall ship size.

    As for purpose or functionality, why would it be any less desirable for a GFFA warship to have the same one-punch capability that the old dreadnoughts of Earth had? Assuming the primary armament is not your only weapon and doesn't hamper your flexibility.
     
  14. Star_Desperado

    Star_Desperado Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well in proportionate size, that would have to go to the smaller ships like the CR90, Dornean, Nebulon, Arquitens, Gozanti, Consular, DP20, and Bunkerbuster, and that's about it. Maybe the Venator and ISD.

    That's excluding all the mostly fixed weapons emplacements with limited-to-no traverse.
     
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  15. FiveFireRings

    FiveFireRings Jedi Padawan star 2

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    Is that from the ESB Sketchbook? I have that one around here somewhere.

    WRT to the battleship turrets question, I'm unable to stop picturing Space Battleship Yamato... ;-)
     
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  16. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    Would love to see the make up of some of these PSFs. Corellia and Kuat are probably armed to the teeth...but what about places like Lothal and Jelucan??
     
  17. redxavier

    redxavier Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    We have a sort of template in Jinata Security, the militia of the planet Vardos which features in Battlefront 2. In the Resurrection campaign extension that later came out, we see Jinata fighting against the First Order.
     
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  18. Long Snoot

    Long Snoot Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I think that the Munificent-class frigate does have one of the biggest turbolasers when compared to its size, and theMandator IV and Recusant classes are close ones.
     
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  19. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Master star 3

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    I thought of this last night also, the Mandator IV-class Siege Dreadnought certainty best fits the description I am looking for, of largest turreted weapon compared to the overall ship size. We don't know what exactly autocannons are at this time, but for such a large ship to have so few other weapons it may be that weapons sized between turbolasers and superlasers require more energy to power them relative to their size. Of course, being labelled a siege weapon certainly suggests that the autocannons were placed on the dreadnought for a specific reason and they were not trying to produce a multi-role warship.
     
  20. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, I have a hunch that even smaller, less wealthy or populous New Republic member worlds had decent PSF's. Remember, Mon Mothma's plan (we don't know if it passed the Senate exactly like this in the end, but still) was to reduce the NRDF's expenditures by 90% and devote a good chunk of the savings to building up planetary defense forces. Mon Mothma get's a lot of flak from some fans, but she didn't exactly disarm the New Republic. Rather, she transferred a sizable chunk of it's military power from the federal level to the planetary level. While still ensuring that the NRDF had a sizable home fleet of heavy hitters that could be available for a crisis or threat from an opposing state.

    I imagine that a lot of the NR's PSF's look pretty similar. We know that Corellia was producing ships like the Bunkerbuster for member world like Virgillia, plus Kuat's Nebulon-C escort frigate was presumably offered to all of the various member worlds. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Mon Cala offered a smaller design as well.

    My personal theory for Mon Cala is that they probably ended up shifting a huge chunk of their shipbuilding efforts back into the civilian market. It makes sense, I can see the New Republic filled with Mon Cala exploration ships, passenger liners, freighters, and the like. Militarily, Mon Cala probably retained the contracts for maintaining, updating, and refitting the NRDF's existing MC80's (the ones we see over Hosnian Prime), while also building some updated models for both the government and member worlds.

    --Adm. Nick
     
  21. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Youngling

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    Hey guys, so recently, I made the New Republic fleet, it's a bit off topic from what we are talking about, but I thought you fleet junkies would like it! So, here it is.
    24 Venator-class Star Destroyers
    8 MC80 Liberty-type Cruisers
    2 MC80 Home One-type Cruisers
    2 MC80 Wingless-type Cruisers
    6 MC90 Star Cruisers
    4 Acclamator-class Assault Ships
    2 MC85 Star Cruisers
    13 Nebulon-B Escort Frigates
    25 CR90 Corvettes
    1 Modified Raider II-class Corvette
    12 Consular-class Cruisers (Charger c70 retrofit)
    18 Braha’tok Gunships
    15 Free Virgilla-class Bunkerbusters
    22 GR-75 Medium Transports
    11 DP20 Frigates
    20 Combat Hammerhead Corvettes
    345 T-65B X-Wings
    102 UT-60D U-wing Starfighter/Support Crafts
    108 ARC-170 Fighters
    264 RZ-1 A-Wings 100 Fang Fighters
    187 A/SF-01 B-Wings 295 BTL-A4 Y-Wings
    112 Alpha 3 Nimbus-class V-Wings
    278 Z-95 Headhunters
     
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  22. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Master star 4

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    Any source on them or mostly fan-made? No ISD-2s?
     
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  23. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Youngling

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    All of them are real ships, and no ISD-2s because I feel that the people of the NR may not like them using enemy ships.
     
  24. Senator Wan

    Senator Wan Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I notice a distinct lack of Starhawks in that fleet.


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  25. Resistance_Man

    Resistance_Man Jedi Youngling

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    Think I should add some? And if so, how many?