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Well Nadar is like a proto Krell, just not so far gone nor experienced. Nadar reminded me of the 8th Brother. Most of the Jedi, especially cartoon specific created were jobbers meant to die.

 

Leave Diego out of this!

What's interesting, is that Krell and Nadar and many other Jedi are becoming more impatient and willing to use violence but they aren't becoming more powerful nor are they fully tapping into the Dark Side.

 

They're really not. Remember how obvious it was in Evil Plans?

During the unproduced arcs, I hope we'd see them in better circumstances, again like Evil Plans. I'd also like to see their last goodbye, before ROTS.

 

I made some observations when watching the Clone Wars last, and I intended to post them when I recapped those episodes. I never got that far though, so I'll just post them now.

From Shades of Reason:


+At one point Bo-Katan refers to Pre Viszla as a 'true son of Mandalore'. This is an interesting choice of words, that seems to reflect Maul's postion as a 'Son of Dathomir'.

From The Lawless:

+I've noticed something interesting about Maul's name in TCW. As far as I can recall, he only ever refers to himself as Maul, and doesn't use the Darth title. This is a really subtle and brilliant way to show how he's divorced himself from the Sith now.

+I love Sidious' ship, a black version of the standard transport.

+Obi-Wan mentions going to Maul's village and knows that he didn't choose the dark side willingly. When exactly did he learn this fact? In Witches of the Mist, Anakin and Obi-Wan only visit to find out about Savage, not Maul, and that leads them to Talzin (who weirdly gives away his location). They find out nothing about Maul's history.

+I love how the Death Watch laser colours, formerly yellow to signify their neutrality in the Clone Wars, have changed to red for Maul's side and blue for Bo-Katan's. Now Maul has been revealed as a villain, and Bo is on the side of good. It's very subtle, but I like the little details.

+I like how Savage's Dark side clothes disappear as well as his extra size. Does that mean that he wore them over his old clothes, and that they were and illusion the whole time?

From The Jedi Who Knew Too Much:

+I really like how, when the camera pans out to show the Republic prison during Ahsoka's escape, a slowed-down version of the Clone Wars Separatist theme is played. It shows how the Republic is sliding ever more into villainy.

+There's an error regarding Ahsoka's sabers. At one point, she loses her main saber, leaving herself with only her shoto. However, in later scenes, and the next episode she will only have her main saber instead.

+I found it interesting to note that the sewers that Ashoka flees through were reused in Rebels, in Vision of Hope. Maybe the Empire or Repbulic just builds all its sewers from identical plans.

From Orders:

+At one point, Five's chip is shown, and it's clearly Tup's damaged chip. I guess that the models must have been mixed up at some point.

+I like how Five's sheds his uniform when he starts investigating the mystery. It suggests that his blind loyalty is wavering. His further change of appearance after the shave goes to further distance him from his proud Arc trooper history.

+A small but brilliant detail, when all of the troops take off their helmets to honour Five's death, Fox keeps his on, showing just how loyal he is to the Repbulic.

From the Clovis Arc:

+I love the little hybrid Jedi fighter Anankin has in his room. It shows a mix between the AOTC and ROTS models, and I wish that we had seen this thing in action.

+At one point Padme asks Clovis his history in the banking clan. But how does she not already know it? They were lovers in the past, and Clovis' history must have surely come up at some point.

+I love how the doctor droid just states bluntly that he serves Count Dooku. How did that happen? How did a doctor come to serve Dooku? Maybe it's 11-4D from Palgueis.

+During Palpatine's speech at the end, he says that 'The Repbulic... will not... crumble!'. Oddly, the last word is spoken by Tim Curry, not Ian Abercrombie as in the rest of the episode. Was that one word not recorded when the rest of the sentence was?

From the Yoda arc:

+I love Yoda's cute little deprivation suit, and I like how his pose after nearly dying in it is similar to his final death pose in ROTJ.

+There are some rodent like creatures present on Oba-Diah in The Lost One that then reappear on Dagobah in Voices. I suppose it's a good reuse of assets.

+When Yoda arrives on the Force planet, the same music that played when the Jedi entered Mortis, linking the 2 arcs in their explorations of the mysticism of the force. Further musical cues occur when Yoda sees the destroyed Jedi temple. Ironically, it's Anakin Sees His Future, and Yoda's seeing the exact same future.

+Some Neebra manta rays are briefly seen on the Force planet. This links back to Yoda's first appearance in Ambush, when small manta rays clustered around him at one point, and to Shadow of Malevolence, when it was established that they live in nebulae similar to the Force planet.

+I really love the long shot of Yoda during his final vision of Anakin and the clones. The camera sticks to Yoda's face, never quite showing Anakin or the clones in full. It really adds a sense of unease to the vision.

From The Bad Batch:

+The first episode appears to show a new type of Tactical droid, more closely resembling the original model, and not the newer variant.

From Son of Dathomir:

+In A Tale of Two Apprentices, Dooku alludes to Grievous that he knows Maul's backstory. When it comes to Proxy War however, Dooku is shocked to learn that Talzin is his mother.

+In A Tale of Two Apprentices, Grievous has a tactical droid named Tey-Zuka, the second tactical droid to be given a name, after Kalani was named in the Onderon arc. I wonder why these new Tactical droids get names, and whether it was leading anywhere.

 

Yeah, that was in Revival. But at least that was a whole line.

Did Abercrombie record the speech, only to stop at the final word? Or did they just decide that his performance of the word wasn't what they wanted?

 

It's all way too on the nose, isn't it? They're referencing ROTS in a manner that is just way too transparent. We know what's going to happen, but Aayla doesn't, and having Anakin's future just laid out so plainly to Ahsoka is just terribly obnoxious.

It's one of those examples of Ahsoka being Anakin 2.0; Anakin, but better. This time, we'll get it right. We'll make sure she'll learn the lessons he didn't. We'll lay it out for her. We'll deconstruct Anakin's life and use him as a cautionary tale for Ahsoka to learn from...while she's still Anakin's apprentice, before Anakin even falls.

It's all way too transparent for me.

 

It's not unknown for dialogue or other things to be changed late in production. Then the VA has to record the new lines. Obviously in this case Abercrombie died and Tim Curry had to record the additional dialogue.

And Senator Chuchi

I had a new graduate join my team a year ago who is so much smarter than me, which became abundantly clear when I started showing her the ropes. She also handed my ass to me in foosball. So I can definitely believe that Ahsoka's smarter and better than Anakin, ROTS references aside.

 

I think the point of the poster was to say that Ahsoka was deliberately created as better version of Anakin with all his qualities and his "knowledge" but without his setbacks or failings, as if she was learning from Anakin's example before his fall even happened. Not that Ahsoka was naturally more talented or smarter than Anakin.

I do think Ahsoka was intended to be an alternative version of Anakin without his problems. Like, what would have happened if Anakin was raised in the temple, did not have Palps on him, no secret marriage, and basically no reasons to be tempted to the darkside.

 

I don't think it has anything to do with Ahsoka learning from his fall, but it just goes to show why the Jedi didn't want to let Anakin in, because he was too old. Ahsoka just shows the comparison between Anakin and a padawan who has been raised as a Jedi. The following quote comes from the old starwars.com encyclopedia, and it's quite interesting:

But this is nothing new, we can make the same comparison between Anakin and Obi-Wan, or really any other regular Jedi.

 

Such a small but interesting detail! I'm glad you mentioned it, especially since I was about to watch that arc. One of my favorites, too.

 

Nightsisters, Monster, Witches of the Mist
I wonder how Dooku and Ventress first paired up. Before I move onto ROTS, I plan to watch some Tartakovsky to fill in the blanks.

Interesting to watch this arc now. Apparently Talzin helped Sidious in the past, he stole her kid, and not only corrupted the kid, but fed the pride which led to Maul's downfall. I wonder if Talzin knew about Dooku taking on Ventress as an apprentice. Perhaps she blessed their relationship, thinking it might lead to them destroying Sidious for her.

I wonder how Dooku and Ventress first paired up. Before I move onto ROTS, I plan to watch some Tartakovsky to fill in the blanks.

Darth Maul Returns
The movie should have more content than the episodes, not less! I wish the deleted scenes had made the movie's final cut!

Shadow Conspiracy
I've nothing to add that hasn't been said before, by myself or others.

The Disappeared
Poor sexually-repressed Mace. I miss Talzin.