For the record: State your party allegiance and political ideology.

Eh Darksider, I prefer Transhumanism myself, buuuut....


Can we please stay on topic people? This is a thread for stating party affiliation and ideology, not a debate thread.

Now move it!

<quietly sticks a firecracker not far from SB, lights it, and runs away>



BANG!!!!

SB: What was that?! Was that...could it be?! It's...it's THE REVOLUTION! The Revolution has begun!!!

*SB grabs his red flag and runs away tapping his feet*

 

Oh, pick on the commie why doncha?!



- Scarlet.

 

Well, Ender_Sai, if you go throwing around that label (fascism), then you ought to back up what you say. In my case, you have failed to provide any evidence that my POV is even remotely fascist.

 

Eh Darksider, I prefer Transhumanism myself, buuuut....

Ahhh, Transhumanists.... Some of the greatest allies of the Crusaders!!!

ShaneP are you a Transhumanist??

If so, how about writing an ideology post for them??

 

POLUNIS, in that case, conservatives would have to stop calling people communist, and in 99% of cases, that's the best they can do.

I don't need to prove you subscribe to outdated uber-rightist ideals. You do it better than I ever could, esp. with your websites.

E_S

 

I am unaware of conservatives throwing around the Communist accusation nearly as much as you think.

Let us think through this ever so carefully. If my "fascist" views were so self-evident, then how is it that you are the first person I recall ever calling me a fascist? Trust me, I have been called many things in the past on many different message boards and in public, but fascist wasn't one of them

Perhaps you know something about me no one else knows...or maybe not.

 

No you are right POLUNIS you do not show any signs of having a radical right wing ideology nor do you hold back from making extreme comments biased by an even more extreme conservatism.

E_S

 

plain.gif No you are right POLUNIS you do not show any signs of having a radical right wing ideology nor do you hold back from making extreme comments biased by an even more extreme conservatism. plain.gif

There is hope for you yet. I have actually been styled a moderate by some.

 

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Yeah baby!

 

Nyder, why don't you and Adam Smith get a room! Damn Queenslanders!

POLUNIS - You, a moderate?

E_S

 

Party: Democratic Party
Ideology: Liberal

Abortion: Pro-choice for the first trimester (and exceptions like rape and threats to the mother's life)

Gun Control: People should have guns but they're should be restrictions/licensing on it, like what cars have, but of course more stringent.

Environment: Pro-environment, anti-drilling, anti-most if not all things that harms the environment.

Death Penalty: Anti-DP but only because I think DP is not harsh ENOUGH (as in, it isn't an effective deterrant)

Immigration: Pro-tighter rules on immigration

Discrimination: In most cases I am completely against any forms of discrimination. That means I'm against affirmative action, I'm for total inclusion of gays and women in the military.

Gay rights: I'm all for gay rights.

Women's rights: I'm all for women's rights.

Euthanasia/Suicide: Pro-legalization of both.

Religion and Government: Against it, completely.

US Foreign Policy/War with Iraq: Against both.

Government: I'm for big, active government as long as it legislates on American affairs, and not internal ones of foreign countries.

 

Walrus & Carpenter

 

Coxall & Robins, Contemporary British Politics, 1998.

Fascism:

The fundamental goal of fascism is the creation of an organically united nation from which divisive individuals, classes and races have been eliminated, and and whose unified will is embodied in a forceful, charismatic leader.

Nationalism:

The core doctrines of nationalism are that the nation defined by culture either form a state or possess considerable autonomy within a state; and that the nation-state should protect its sovereignty against pressure from global forces and supra-national organisations.

Socialism:

Traditionally, there have been two major variants of socialism. Fundamentalist socialism has focused on the abolition of markets (capitalism) in favour of common ownership, whilst social democracy or reformist socialism has aimed to moderate the working of the market through state intervention. In recent decades, socialists have moved towards liberal ideas emphasising market socialism, democracy, citizenship, community and stakeholding.

Conservatism:

Conservatives emphasise the value of leadership by an experienced elite, regard property ownership as essential in order to give people independence of government as well as personal satisfaction and consider the defence of the nation the first task of statesmanship.

Liberalism:

Liberals believe that the progress of societies depends on the talents and inditiative of individuals, and on the rigour with which inherited traditions and established authorities are examined and criticised. They consider the quality of society is reflected in the extent to which it accords individuals freedom to make their own choices, protects their rights and is open-minded and tolerant.

Feminism:

Feminists argue that women's disadvantaged position compared with men does not derive primarily from biological difference but from deeply rooted social forces and that it is therefore an issue which can and should be challenged politically.

Let's stick to these boundaries when name-calling, huh?

I'm sure the majority of Conservatives fit in to the above 'Conservative' and 'nationalist' categories; a few probably fit into the 'fascist' category. The same goes for Liberals; the majority probably fit into the 'liberalist' category. These definitions are from a reputable politics textbook.

- Scarlet.

 

Party: My Party
Ideology: Liberal

Abortion: Pro-choice for the first trimester (and exceptions like rape and threats to the mother's life)

Gun Control: People who wanted to have a gun would have to go through a year of psychologial evaluation. Extreme? No. A friend of mine died this year because of a gun accident.

Environment: Pro-environment and development of water-based machines. Screw oil!

Death Penalty: I'd be very tempted to have it in some cases, but I think solitary confinement for the rest of someone's life would do the job *so* much better.

Immigration: Pro-tigh rules on immigration.

Discrimination: Against discrimination of women, homossexuals, different races and so on. Discrimination against people who do discriminate people for being gay, women, from a different race, etc? Sure. They deserve it.

Gay rights: The same as heterossexual rights.

Women's rights: Pro, of course!

Euthanasia/Suicide: Pro-legalization of both.

Religion and Government: Completly against interference from religion. No sense in having people who worship an imaginary friend (or friends) have saying in things from a religious point of view.

US Foreign Policy/War with Iraq: Against both. It ain't my country, but americans just barging in whenever they feel like it shouldn't be allowed. The whole planet isn't american. -_-;

 

"ShaneP are you a Transhumanist??"

No I'm not. But, I do know of it somewhat. When I read your post, I noticed some similiarities. Not all mind you, but some.


"If so, how about writing an ideology post for them??"

Well, my own reflection of my ideology can be found in the earlier pages of this thread.

Read my bottom sig.

 

I dont mind when people call me fascist, I find it quite funny personally!

Don't you agree E_S, pinko?

 

These two definitions do not seem mutually exclusive. Curious. I am a Conservative Liberal, then? Or is it a Liberal Conservative?

 

Marvin, you're a Queenslander, not a fascist. Though, when the Oxley Moron was around, there wasn't much of a distinction...

//kicks Marvin in the nuts for calling him a pinko.

E_S

 

Red 7: In Australia, the Conservative half of the two party system is called the 'Liberal Party of Australia'. So indeed, I think there is a great deal of overlap between conservatism and liberalism.

I happen to consider myself a 'Conservative Liberal'

 

7 you're an American, thus those definitions don't apply. The USA is heavily liberal, and thus you'll find liberalism in both the Republican and Democratic party ideals. There is little in common with a Whig and a Democrat, or a Tory and Republican. Remember, conservatives were opposed to democracy, opposed to suffrage, opposed to capitalism, in favor of conserving the established status quo where they were the elite.

E_S

 

That's why those descriptors need to be done away with - they're highly outdated. In fact, when the Republican party first came into being in the US (Lincoln's party, not Jefferson's) it was much more liberal (by the traditional definition) than the Democratic party...and that lasted up until the Roosevelt-era of the 1930's/1940's, when there was a major shift in the political landscape, which makes those definitions practically useless. As was pointed out, both American parties are largely liberal these days.

 

Ah. Cheers. Another day, another American-centric bias revealed!

 

That's what we're here for!

It's not a bad thing; I actually think it's pretty good. IMO, liberalism the "pure ideology" is a great ideology. It preaches good economic policy with socially responsibility and welfare statism, and here, it's a centre-line ideology. I guess I'm a pure JS Mill liberal at heart, but I'd get confused with a Demmycrat so I'll stick with "centrist". Tenets of that ideology can be found all over mainstream US political thought, whether in it's utilitarian or egalitarian variants.

E_S

 

Well, in terms of American politics, I'd be considered a center-rightist a.k.a. moderate to conservative a.k.a. moderate Republican. But when you look at the dictionary definitions of 'liberal' and 'conservative', both American parties (and most Western parties, for that matter), lean more to the 'liberal' definition. Still, though, most parties that consider themselves liberal today, have been influenced largely by socialistic, communistic, and other big government political movements and such.

 

Ah, the Liberal and Conservative definitions from Coxall & Robbins (and no, it isn't out of date ), are not the ones in common usage in the U.S.

In the U.S., liberal denoates a left-winger, whereas conservative denotes a right-winger. With those above definitions, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I probably shouldn't have included them - they're pretty irrelevant. The ones that matter, I think, are the Nationalist and Fascist definitions.

- Scarlet.