Discussion Force Ghosts in VII

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII - Spoilers Allowed' started by RyanForder, Mar 9, 2014.

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Which ones do you want to see?

Obi-Wan Kenobi 23 vote(s) 19.7%
Yoda 29 vote(s) 24.8%
Anakin Skywalker 29 vote(s) 24.8%
Qui-Gon Jinn 7 vote(s) 6.0%
Palpatine 13 vote(s) 11.1%
Other (Please state) 5 vote(s) 4.3%
None 6 vote(s) 5.1%
Not bothered 5 vote(s) 4.3%
  1. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    Please cast your vote and discuss.
  2. Oswald1901 Jedi Knight

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    Can VII be like Poltergeist and have Force Ghosts posses the TV of Luke's son? :p
    Anyways, I really want Anakin and Obi-Wan to be in this. Just one scene of them talking to Luke; They can be chatting, warning of the future, having some nice warm blue milk, ANYTHING as long as they're having a heart-to-heart with Luke.
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  3. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    I like this,

    Sorry for people voting. You can only vote for one and that's my mistake (obviously) i don't know how to fix it.
  4. Palpatine's P.A. Jedi Master

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    Whoever does appear, it should be done very sparingly or could quickly become a bit stupid. It could also be used as a way to bring back popular characters for the sake of having them in the film at the expense of creating memorable new characters. Also not sure about them being able to affect the living world. Death should be final or means nothing
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  5. run_luke_run Force Ghost

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    Death is only the beginning.

    You've seen Star Wars, right?
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  6. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    i think either Obi, Yoda or Anakin should appear. The 3 main guys he connect with.
  7. DanielUK Force Ghost

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    Yoda or Anakin.
    That's it, no one else. Obi-Wan should not be involved at all; but I most certainly don't want ghosts appearing every five minutes.
  8. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    Then it would just be plain silly. Best situation is if Luke is stuck for what to do in a situation and Yoda/Anakin or Kenobi for me come and speak with him.
  9. Oberst Hans Landa Jedi Grand Master

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    Obi Wan? You mean Ewan McGregor? Am I the only one who feels it'd be stupid for Luke to see a young Ben Kenobi? No, please no more. We don't need Obi Wan, let alone a young Obi Wan. So Luke was in part trained by an old Kenobi, he saw an old Ben in Episodes V and VII and now he's going to see a young Ben? Unless you can CGI an old Sir Alec Guiness, I don't see how this would make sense. But then again… *sigh*

    Anakin? You mean Hayden Christensen? Am I the only one who feels it'd be laughable to see a 62 year old Luke Skywalker talking to a much younger version of his father? No please. Let's not open that can of worms.

    If anything, I wouldn't mind seen Yoda, but only because they can either go with the puppet, which I would use, or a great looking CGI Yoda. And I wouldn't mind seeing Qui Gon either.

    However, I am going to quote both @DanielUK and @Palpatine's P.A.

    If there's something I don't want in Episode VII is seeing things done just because. Let's not go overboard with the ghosts, the CGI or the lightsaber battles, please.
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  10. T-R- Chosen One

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    THIS.

    Yoda is the only one that makes sense since he can appear almost exactly as he did in RotJ. Luke talking to his father that looks as young as Luke's son would be ridiculous. Luke talking to a young version of Ben, when he's already seen old Ben as a ghost is equally ridiculous.

    If you need to use Ben or Anakin I vote to just use their voice, no need for them to appear.
  11. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    Ewan McGregor would be made to look like old Ben, I wouldn't mind it.

    I agree with what you said about Anakin but if he turned up then i wouldn't complain
  12. Bazinga'd SWC/PT/ Spinoff Manager -Destroyer of Spam

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    I thought I read something that Qui Gonn may appear, although I may be confussing that with TCW, Season 6.
  13. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    I hope not because none of the characters can relate to him. Same with Mace Windu.
  14. Bazinga'd SWC/PT/ Spinoff Manager -Destroyer of Spam

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    As the wise Jedi Master with access to the Jedi's history (presumably), Luke could relate to Qui-Jonn.
  15. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    Yes he could, But someone stated on another thread what does QGJ have to tell Luke that Yoda, Obi or Anakin can't?
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  16. Bazinga'd SWC/PT/ Spinoff Manager -Destroyer of Spam

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    This is Star Wars, so that is too logical. :p I reject your reality and substitute my own - Adam Savage
  17. RyanForder Jedi Master

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    Personally for me having QGJ is just too forced. I love the character, its just not the right time frame for him. However, i would accept him turning up and speaking to Luke without telling Luke who he is. But i just don't want it to seem forced. (Excuse the pun)
  18. themuzikman Jedi Master

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    I'm calling it now, I believe we are definitely going to see some force ghosts, but additionally, that the movie might be focused around this "force netherworld"... Who's going to show up? I don't know... Probably a safe bet we'll see the Emperor, Yoda, Qui-Gon (I believe there is better chance of seeing him than Obi-Wan or Anakin, since the age when he died in the movie would work to bring Liam Neeson back, and also since he was the first one to learn how to communicate with the living from this other plane of existence [I think] ). I, along with many, had originally thought the emperor should be done with and we should move on, and while I still agree with this to some degree (as in yes, I believe he did die when he went down the reactor), I think seeing him as a force ghost (along with other new baddies) might actually be kind of cool. We're used to seeing the Emperor as a shadowy blue hologram for probably more than half of his SW appearances, but now he'll be a shadowy blue ghost...

    But yeah, lately I've been thinking this movie might have a much bigger plot based on the force, and aspects that we haven't seen yet on screen - this includes this force realm as well as just other force moves we haven't seen yet that have appeared in games and ****... I think especially now with Disney in charge we'll see a lot more force powers... Disney loves magic and stuff like that so, come on, it's gonna happen...
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  19. Darth_Zidious Force Ghost

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    I agree this is a good possibility, especially given the manner in which TCW ended.
  20. Victorian Time Traveler Jedi Grand Master

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    I'd love to see Yoda appearing as a Force Ghost in VII since he would make the most sense for the story. No amount of CGI or make-up could possibly make Ewan McGregor look/move/sound like a convincing Alec Guiness. And a young Anakin Skywalker talking to an elderly Luke? No thanks. There's no need for Obi-Wan or Anakin to appear in the ST. I like to look at it this way...in the years immediately after ROTJ, Anakin and Obi-Wan probably communed with Luke a few times to impart additional wisdom about the Force and perhaps even provide some closure in their relationship. After that, their ghosts moved on and perhaps became "one" with the Force, because their destinies, their parts in the universe's grand story have finally ended. Since Luke is given the task of rebuilding and leading a brand new Jedi Order at this point, it would make sense that Yoda would stick around to guide Luke (seeing as how Yoda was the Grand Master of his own Jedi Order for nearly 800 freakin years, I think he'd have more than a few pointers to give).
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  21. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

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    They had a head shot done of what Ewan McGregor would look like as an old Obi-Wan during production of Episode III and he sure looked a lot like Alec to me. I think it can be done for the film if they need Obi-Wan to appear. I'd also like Yoda to appear and I wouldn't mind Anakin appearing either but I'd like to see him used in a different way then the other two. I don't see Anakin as the wise sage the other two are so I could see him appearing to one of the younger generation characters to give a cautionary tale to them about the dangers of the dark side.
  22. Bullhead CIty Jedi Grand Master

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    Personally, with all the highly logical arguments presented the past few years aside, I really don't see the ST as some gigantic spook-fest orgy.

    If anything, I could see a subplot involving a "reverse Luke ascension to Jedi knighthood scenario" with a Force projected image of Palpatine perhaps directing a lapsed Sith apprentice candidate to travel <somewhere> to learn from ____, the Sith Master who instructed him...

    Yeah, I've wondered if Yoda and Ben could re-materialize in this realm since they voluntarily left this realm; their bodies disappearing. Anakin and Qui Gon died against their own will. If we rationalize a Plagueis, or even a possible Sidious return - the argument that he didn't die falling down the shaft but jumped into the Force, might the same be true for Yoda or Kenobi re-materializing? Anything's possible. But I don't see the apparition of Watto, Jabba, Greedo, or Windu doing too much to move the plot forward in a "next gen" sequel. :p But, that's just me. It would be weirdly epic to have Ewan and Mark fighting side by side though...
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  23. dolphin Chosen One

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    Will somebody explain to me what force ghosts are, specifically the rules?


    Episode 9 will sooooo end with the main ensemble.....to include a Force ghost Luke. I can see it clearly. What wouldn't be so cool is if there is a Force ghost Leia right there beside him. I always thought you had to be a Jedi Master (hence the above request for rules).
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  24. T-R- Chosen One

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    According to TCW Yoda arc:

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    basically, in order to Force Ghost, you have to know your true self and be able to let go of it. You have to confront your greatest fear and overcome it. You have to be at peace. Once you pass the trials, you have to be taught how to merge your identity with the Living Force before your energy becomes one with the Cosmic Force. Only someone that has done it can teach it to you


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    I also forgot to say:

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    Jinn learned the trick but failed his trials, which is why he can't ghost and you only hear his voice
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  25. ObiAlKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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    I am only for the Obi-Wan ghost if they use previous footage and CGI combined of Alec. Having a younger Obi ghost would make no sense. And no Qui-Gon please. Keep him the prequel-verse (heh).
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