Speculation Force powers with the newly balanced Force

She sure did.

 

Damn, did I really write that?

 

Yes i do, in every iteration of the star wars rpg, use of telekinesis in this manner tilted the character towards the dark side.

Every saber battle in the PT was full of acrobatics enhanced by the Force, not so in the OT.

Luke didn't see across great distances, he had a vision like Anakin in AOTC. It's a passive ability, and isn't always something that can be 'brought on'. Will of the Force and all that jazz.

As for glimpsing Vaders mind, he is his son. For crying out loud, at least read my posts. Family ties make sensing a LOT easier.

Re kenobi - my point was in response to your junk statement about PT jedi not sensing across great distances...

As for Leia on Bespin, Luke projected into her mind, she didn't sense him, so forget that point...



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Maybe the Force never was out of balance and that prophecy was just a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

Their ability to use the Force diminishing was Palps essentially Force-jamming them with his immense dark side power.

If you want to apply logic (yes that dreaded word) to it, why would the goings on in one galaxy out of trillions balance or unbalance the Force? If we assume that the Force is supposed to permeate the entire cosmos - and apparently it is, since the inhabitants of the YV's home galaxy were familiar with it and there were Force-sensitives and force-users there at a time.

 

You seem to blame everything on the family connections. Fact is that force powers in the OT were quite strong, whether they were used passive or active. Your claim that they were weak is plain wrong as is obvious if you don't buy into Lucas BS about the cloud of the dark side.

Also funny to use RPGs as proof that a certain force power is eeevil.

As for the PT Jedi not sensing across great distances they were not capable of detecting Palpatines evil when he stood right in front of them. Obviously their ability to sense someone isn't reliable at all.

 

You want to pick that individual tidbit out?

How about 'where in the movie does Luke's dark side point meter go up?'

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telepathy

 

In the Ultimate Editions, they added a helpful little sidebar that's there during the whole movie. It looks just like that alignment meter from KOTOR and everytime someone does something it goes up and down.

My personal favorite change to the Saga.

 

'Lucas BS' is gospel I'm afraid, it's his universe and has been repeated in-universe by Windu...

As for being weak... Yoda sure struggled with that X-Wing and there was a severe lack of Force-enhanced dexterity / strength, with a couple of Skywalker-sized examples aside (being of the chosen one bloodline, they're going to make things look easier). Sure the Force was used, I'm not denying that, but they aren't on the same scale of Force usage within the PT.

RPG's are one of the only canon sources regarding these Force powers, so unless you can prove otherwise you're out of luck.

PT Jedi not sensing Palpatine is testament to Palpatine's skills, not the Jedi's lack thereof.

 

What I think is that this is the ST forum and therefore Lucas gospel or RPG material doesn't hold much weight, especially compared to the movies themselves.

Regarding Yoda we must keep in mind the guy is near death. And when he lifts the X-wing he doesn't seem to struggle, his expression is fairly peaceful and when he lifts the spaceship out of the swamp it is to demonstrate Luke the possibilities the force offers. There was no need for haste.

For every powerful display of the force in the OT you seem to think they don't count because "they are family members" or "they are Sith". Those seem all like pretty lame and unnecessary excuses. There's nothing wrong with the OT heroes and villains showing peak force powers, after all the OT is meant to be the epic conclusion of the saga. For emphasis: epic conclusion.

 

So what if it's the ST forum, does that makes other canon null and void? Er.... no.

Where was it mentioned in the movie that Force-choke wasn't dark / 'eeevil'? > It wasn't

Where was it mentioned in the movie that the PT Jedi were losing their ability to use the Force? > Windu stated this to Yoda...

- About Yoda... Yoda isn't known to be 'near death' when he first appeared in ESB, this is only established in RotJ.
- When Yoda falls off Luke after Luke has his Bespin vision, in the PT he could have used the Force to land comfortably, not flail about...
- No need for haste? That would have proved his point more effectively to Luke, surely?

The Jedi's ability to use the Force was stated as being diminished, not the Sith, hence my arguments.

As for family ties, that plays a HUGE part in making certain Force powers easier to use and, heck, Luke is what Anakin could have been, so he's supposed to be a full-fat Force dynamo...

 

GL's words are still only the words of the creative consultant and not Kathy Kennedy or Bob Iger words. Even Dave Filoni's take now has more weight to it because he is still working on Star Wars. That's the situation now.

Which only proves that the PT Jedi's force was inhibited, not what was the case twenty years later. Who knows in what cycles the force moves? It certainly seemed to strengthen Luke and rebel alliance in general.

Having the ship rise as slowly and aesthetically had a huge effect on the audience and definitely a huge effect on Luke too.

And again, Yoda was old and frail. He died six month later.

All I read is you claiming that it is easier to telepathically speak with relatives when there is no real proof for this whatsoever.

 

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Okay. About the Jedi being more OP now with the balance. I cannot quoth it directly but somewhere Word of God claimed that when Yoda told Luke that the Dark Sided is not more powerful, he way lying. Point number two. Maybe the prophecy was misinterpreted. Saying that the dark side(a part of the Force) causes inbalance simply by existing and the genocide of the dark side users would cause balance is moronic. I usually really support the EU but let's disregard it for a moment. What did Anakin's betrayal cause? 4 force users. Roughly equally powered pairs for Light and Dark. Obi-wan/Vader and Yoda/Sidious. Perfect balance. Hehh

 

Balance of the Force means something more like "harmony"... not balance as in "equal numbers on opposing sides".

 

yeah I know that is the generally accepted concept. And I always considered it BS. Doesn't the Mortis arc validate my version? Just asking. I sooo wanna be a sith lord in the ST that effs up Luke's concept of the Force. He will be choking on his own lightsaber blade after I'm done with him. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

 

...right...

 

If they'd have had CGI in 1980 you can bet your bottom dollar that Yoda would have landed comfortably and not flail about, but that's a technical issue and has nothing to do with the force, the story or anything else. In 1980 they had a puppet with limited movement etc, in the PT they had CGI.

Had to point that out, good conversation though, very entertaining reading

 

The force is more than just a few users. The terror of the Galactic Empire is what brought the imbalance, imo.

 

Here's the problem. Lucas never said that. In fact, his statements contradict that notion. It is only said by people on the Internet who are not Lucas and are not employed by the franchise.

If a sect of darksiders has developed the ability to shift the balance of the Force, it is not moronic to think that wiping out this sect would permit the restoration of the balance.

Force users are not the Force; the balance of the Force is not a balance of Force-users. You said yourself that the dark side is "a part of the Force", which is not the same thing as a group of people.

No.

 

Hopefully the ST doesn't even bring up that prophesy in any shape or form