Lit From Endor to Exegol - The State of the Galaxy Discussion Thread (Tagged Victory's Price Spoilers)

Here's the thing. Rogue Group is exclusively seen as a unit of snowspeeders protecting the base. By the time we see X-wings in action again in ROTJ, we see Wedge leading Red Squadron, not Rogue Squadron.

Honestly, I'd actually prefer they kept Wedge in the NEU as part of Red Squadron. I like the legacy. As the New Republic expands and squadrons take on a myriad of new names, I dig the concept that the handful of squadrons with standard "color" names are viewed with awe & respect, as they trace their lineage to the original Rebel squadrons.

Well, it depends on your definition of "active". I don't see senators being able or willing to openly speak out in the Imperial Senate in support of the Rebellion, but we do know that they had many covert supporters. The fact that the Emperor dissolved the Senate and had been increasingly giving power to regional governors and his own inner council shows that the Senate wasn't viewed as a vehicle of Imperial support, but rather a "vestige" of the Republic that needed to be wiped out in order for him to push towards his ultimate goal of a Sith-led theocratic empire.

--Adm. Nick

 

In Legends, Sheev didn't really care about the Sith. Both regular Emperor Sheev and Dark Empire Voldemort-Sheev. Both had pretty much discarded the Sith way and only used it as labels. He formulated his own Rule of One (not to be confused with Krayt's) which had it so he would reign forever as the only Dark Sider and Galactic Emperor.

 

So nucanon Sheev is more traditional Sith?

 

No, not really. According to Tarkin his long-term goal was to become the dark side of the Force... or something like that. Nick's point is just about the element (found in both Legends and canon, really) of Palpatine subtly minimizing the more bureaucratic/technocratic side of the Empire in favor of Sith devotees and others fanatically devoted to him personally.

Edit: Though I would argue that all Sith essentially only think about themselves, not the order as a whole. The genius of Darth Bane was in creating a system that would channel that mindset towards a long-term goal.

 

I use theocracy is a loose sense, more because of the "ancient religion" comment we hear folks like Tarkin or Han use. I was referring to Palpatine's end goal of creating a Sith Empire, which IMO isn't the secular Empire that he initially created out of the Old Republic. Honestly, even if the Rebellion never existed in the form we know, I can see this eventual transition forcing our old Loyalists eventually. I suspect that folks like Rax are just furthering the goals that Palpatine had but never achieved.

Maybe not directly seeded, but I can see it as being a contributing factor (albeit a more minor one). It's not like Mon Mothma was the only former Imperial Senator. I can see a lot of former senators using their influence post-Endor to help quell dissent in their various sectors and steer them towards the New Republic. If this is the case (and I also assume that some of the elected senators of the New Republic Senate are former Republic/Imperial senators as well), it is a factor. Whether you define that as being "seeded" in ANH or not depends greatly on ones point of view.

RE: colored Rebel squadrons, I'm just nostalgic for them. That's all. Sure, we all love Red Squadron because of Luke & Wedge, but I'm sure there are other veterans of the other colored squads alive as well. And even if not, the lineage of those names is powerful. It's the same reason that modern navies reuse historical names for warships or name squadrons after famous ones from WWII. The symbolism is powerful.

Red, Gold, Blue, Green, Gray, and Yellow - the colors of the Rebel Rainbow.

--Adm. Nick

 

Such a map would be very cool, especially given how regionally diverse the membership of each party is. I'll have to look back over my notes from Bloodline tonight. and see if I can at least produce a list we can work off.

The Centrists seem to have a mix of Core powerhouses (Coruscant, Kuat) and prominent human world's in the Rim, like Orinda, Riosa, and Arkanis. The book seems to imply greater membership among the Rim for the Centrists, it at the very least seems to be human dominated for sure.

The Populists are more diverse in terms of species, with Mon Cala, Sullust, Ithor, and Abednedo being members. They have Core support in the form of Chandrila and Alderaan, plus some prominent Mid Rim worlds like Naboo.

Then there are all the NR worlds that are unaligned with either party. I can't recall if any worlds are named that fall into this category, but if I were in change of the Story Group I'd make worlds like Corellia or Bothawui fall into this category. Ones that are either independent in nature or unwilling to rock the boat by picking a side.

There are tons of other worlds mentioned, but so many are new worlds that lack formal placement on the map, hence why the exercise would only be partially complete.

--Adm. Nick

 

Well, the Core is split (presumably like many other regions), but keep in mind that Centrist worlds don't all necessarily secede. It appears that some will, but there is no blanket statement that every Centrist world leaves. Also, we know that the First Order is a Rim based power at the time of TFA, so that makes Coruscant and Kuat unlikely FO worlds, IMO.

RE: Alderaan, I know it hasn't been confirmed yet, but I agree that it is the most likely outcome. Leia is taking care of Alderaanians immediately post-Yavin, plus supplying them with ships and a huge chunk of DSII in Life Debt. Given her apparent disinterest in becoming Queen, I imagine that Leia settled with being the world's first elected senator.

--Adm. Nick

 

It's not much of a fight. Jello has been forced to side with the New Republic due to it's large Core membership. Yes, I enjoy this immensely.

--Adm. Nick

 

Good points. I do find it amusing that the First Order's "foothold" in the Galaxy is concentrated in Pelly's old Remnant, a connection I'm sure that only fuels your disdain for them.

I had forgotten about that quote from Perfect Weapon. Considering that Core fashion & upper class culture seems to always emanate from Coruscant, it does seem likely that the Core stayed with the New Republic largely, though I suppose there is room for some to be quasi-independent mini powers too.

--Adm. Nick

 

Motti must have found it really interesting that Tarkin was so brazen in potentially defying the Emperor in destroying Alderaan, jet all of a sudden becomes so cautious if there is even a hint of destroying Coruscant. Is Tarkin's Core World jealousy only reserved for Alderaan...?

 

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