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Lit From Endor to Jakku - The State of the Galaxy Discussion Thread (TLJ Novelization Spoilers)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralNick22 , Sep 6, 2015.

  1. Noash_Retrac

    Noash_Retrac Jedi Master star 4

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    Assuming he survived the Battle of Crait.
     
  2. comradepitrovsky

    comradepitrovsky Jedi Knight star 3

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    I mean, the First Order is obviously going to win. Even a humble radar technician in the First Order has an eight pack. I hear that they're shredded.
     
  3. vncredleader

    vncredleader Jedi Master star 4

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    you win this debate
     
  4. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    More TLJ spoilers:

    I keep thinking about the New Republic's Planetary Security Forces. They are mentioned three separate times, as many times as the NRDF's remaining task forces. I'm wondering if Mon Mothma's decision to decentralize naval power for the New Republic may end up being one of it's saving graces. There seems to be more concern about a lack of centralized leadership and actual forces, if the Resistance is successful in rallying the remaining senators, PSF's, and NRDF units that survived Hosnian Prime, it is plausible for them to win.

    It's all about hope. If a world feels hopeless, it will surrender. If a world knows that that there is a unified opposition, it's people are more inclined to resist and fight back. The entire strategy of the First Order's invasion was "shock and awe" to eliminate hope. I think we see it starting to fail by the end of TLJ... ;)

    --Adm. Nick
     
  5. vncredleader

    vncredleader Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah the FO may have one massive fleet, but they can't hold every Republic world very easily. I mean from what we have seen they don't have many light ships, and they are currently reliant upon their centrist backers. I would assume a lot of their resources are still in the UR. They can have rich backers, but if said backers can't hold the planets they get raw materials from, then they are screwed. The FO is more direct than the Empire, but on some level that's their issue. They are not really a government, i mean they technically do have one, but the Empire was able to take over all of the resources and means of production cause they were given the keys to the galaxy. I really hope the FO's failing is that they are overly direct in that sense. Like you are saying, they rely on shock and awe
     
  6. mattman8907

    mattman8907 Jedi Master star 4

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    After reading The Last Jedi novel i'm looking forward to seeing the remaining Republic fleet take the fight back to the First Order.
     
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  7. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Yes, it's the only way the First Order can consolidate their rule so the Rebellion can gain proper legitimacy.

    I'm not joking either as the FO really needs some onscreen victories ala Rebels.

     
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  8. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Knight star 3

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    They’re winning all throughout TLJ until the very end, so much so that one of the complaints I heard from a person who disliked the movie was “It’s too hopeless! The good guys lose every battle!”.
     
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  9. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I admit, I'm mostly of the view I feel like the FO needs to be treated as a competent serious threat while the Rebellion needs to show why it's the best hope for the galaxy.

    TLJ for whatever reason didn't quite pull it off for me.
     
  10. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    That's kind of hard with Kylo and Hux running the show!
     
  11. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Master star 4

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    And the irony is, you CAN make a villain threatening without shoehorning Empire vs Rebels mk2.
     
  12. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    We can say all we want that we don't like Kylo as a character but to say he isn't a serious threat for the main heroes of the trilogy is a silly statement. And of course I am sure someone is going to spout off how Rey is a Mary Sue in response to this.
     
  13. mnjedi

    mnjedi Jedi Master star 3

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    Actually I'm the opposite, I really like Kylo as villian, but at this point his only real threat is that he controls the FO war machine. He's clearly way out of his depth as a commander and Rey has already demonstrated shes more than capible of dealing with him as a force user, Not just in TFA, but also in TLJ when the praetorian has him in a death hold and he only lives because Rey saves his life after dealing with her own praetorian. in addition we see that the lightsaber tug of war knocks him out cold while Rey is perfectly capible of getting to a shuttle afterwards.
     
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  14. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    If they really want to convince me of that, then they shouldn't be doing stuff like this:

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    I love that sequence as comedy, but in terms of Kylo's villain cred? It's bad.

    Nor is it an isolated instance:

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    TLJ doesn't deviate from this either. Could Ep 9 actually make Kylo genuinely scary? If it really wants to, maybe, but the ST seems to be half trying to tell me to take this seriously, while half the time winking at me to not do so!
     
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  15. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    @Jedi Ben I think they are trying to make Kylo be moody like Anakin was in the prequels.
     
  16. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    Uh.... They are?

    Hhn. Well, we know how that worked out.
     
  17. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    True. But a lot of that was due to Lucas's poor dialogue.
     
  18. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    Thing is Jammin, the ST should be doing better than that because, if the people making it were so inclined to, they could have learnt from the PT.

    Instead, they appear to have decided they don't need to, thus they repeat the same errors.
     
  19. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    @Jedi Ben we can say that but groups of people repeating the same mistakes is far more realistic than not repeating the same mistakes.

    War in general is just a repetitive struggle for control of land and power.
     
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  20. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    So you'll be first in line for Star Wars 47 then?
     
  21. jamminjedi23

    jamminjedi23 Jedi Master star 5

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    Of course.
     
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  22. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    Sucker.
     
  23. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    The main thing going on with Kylo in this movies is that, unlike the other Star Wars villains, he's intended to be a main character with whom we sympathize, and whose own story we follow and are invested in. As such, there's no reason to make him distant and scary - we see his flaws and his frustrations because we're supposed to be relating to him differently. Additionally, I really enjoy that, after a number of stoic villains, we're getting something different - a guy who's really not in control of himself but who's trying desperately to transcend what he sees as his own weaknesses and failures...all of which I find plenty compelling, In contexts where we don't get to see behind his public face - like his scenes in Battlefront II or his interrogation of Poe Dameron - he's plenty villainous.
     
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  24. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Master star 3

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    All this stuff just makes him scarier to me. He's like so many radicalized young white men in this country the last decade, he's dangerous because he's such a violently petulant loser.
     
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  25. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    If I was in that world? Yeah, I agree, it would be far scarier. Because I'm not it becomes, well, what's the phrase? Ah yes, "bad comedy".

    I'd agree too on the source for it, they just need to decide on a consistent tone in terms of execution.
     
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