Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by rezpen, Mar 19, 2013.
I read every night before bed, usually about 30 minutes. If insomnia kicks in, an hour. But if I'm exhausted, only a few minutes. I started my pre-ROTJ EU novels back in 2008. There probably isn't a pre-ROTJ EU novel I haven't read (excluding the Tales of the Republic, Tales of the Empire, Force Unleashed II and the Last Jedi). I only started getting the comics because I started running out of EU novels.
@anakinfansince1983, you kinda answered my question, as long as there is always "new" EU, then other media like games, TV, etc not being produced doesn't bother you? I too could probably live with that. I consider it a downgrade as I liked a weekly show, BUT, if there wasn't any NEW EU how would you feel about that? That is the ultimate fear or "nail in the Disney coffin" for me. If NEW EU goes away (written by the good SW authors) then I will consider that Disney did kill SW, even if the ST generates BO money. With out the supplemental media, SW is just another summertime movie..
I hope this isn't the case and Disney isn't some giant horrible Whole Foods that buys out REAL health food chains just to close them down. I'm really sick of corporate tyranny.
I have phases where I read a TON and then phases where I'm not really reading at all.
Suffice it to say, I've read two novels in a single day before.
Personally, if the EU stops (specifically the novels) I'd probably get bored. I'm fine with other franchises having a single video game or film every two years, but I'm so used to having 6-8 Star Wars novels to read each year, even though most consider the films the core product.
I am a fan of other franchises. There are other novels, TV shows, comics, games, and books to occupy my time. I probably saw Star Wars for the first time in 1991-1992, then I had to wait 7 years for TPM. I never ceased to be a fan of Star Wars in that time (I was not a reader of the EU, and any EU I consumed in that 7-8 years were a handful of video games). In the mean time there was other media to be excited about. I had to wait three years between prequels, though with the internet that last year before a new release could still be exciting by participating in the online community once trailers and spoilers began to pop up. And for those that go spoiler free, there is still the enjoyment of speculation.
I always suspected that there would be more films after ROTS, but I also suspected that Lucas would ensure that there were no more films while he was still alive, so I thought I was going to be in for one hell of a long wait. TCW was an unexpected surprise in that Lucas was going to allow Star Wars to continue on television. But now we're told that there will continue to be new films every few years. It's like waiting for the prequels again. Right now it's kind of boring since the only new info is cast and crew, no real tidbits on plots or trailers, but that will get more exciting the closer to release.
There are novels and ongoing comic series. Want a monthly Star Wars fix? Go to your local comic book store and pick up the monthly issues of Star Wars. Or go buy trade paper backs of previously published stories. I'm sure there's enough new and old content to keep a person busy in the Star Wars universe for the next 2 years and beyond.
I have other franchises that I like in addition to Star Wars. I love Star Trek, and I am looking forward to Star Trek: Into Darkness. Jurassic Park is perhaps my favorite movie of all time and with the recent news of Jurassic Park 4, I'm going to be following that (I fully expect it to suck, but seeing it feels obligatory). And [relatively] recently I have gotten into reading comics (mostly DC Comics with a sprinkling of Dawn of the Jedi and Marvel titles). I'm quickly becoming a fan of Superman and am very much looking forward to Man of Steel. So when it comes to what kind of media and franchises I have to hold my attention, it's not just Star Wars, but should I ever crave more Star Wars, there is plenty out there.
And I will say this (not addressed to anyone in particular). I do see somewhat of an aversion to the concept of reading Star Wars in comic or novel form. I think it was even earlier in this thread that someone made the claim that the "point" of TCW was that it wasn't in those formats, as though "novel" or "comic" is a dirty word. I don't think that was the "point" at all. The "point" was Lucas wanted to explore the time period himself and make it "official." It's like when a male dog pees and then another dog has to pee all of a sudden to mark the same area. Seemed like a display of chest pounding to assert the "real" canon.
And I will also say this. I had the exact same view point in regards to an aversion of reading comics and Star Wars novels. I had enough sense never to say it because I know there is a sizable portion of the JC Forum fanbase that loves the written EU. But I had zero interest in reading any EU because I disregarded it off hand as not being "Lucas' vision" or that it was the product of subpar authors writing for little kids. And I don't think I really gave it a chance until about 4 months ago when I started giving comics a chance in general (comics were just something that never interested me due to the social stigma surrounding them as being nerdy). But really, they are an excellent source of entertainment IMO.
On top of this, "Lucas' vision" is a very limited view of the Star Wars universe since Lucas is not immune to coming up with bad ideas, his view is going to quickly become irrelevant now that he's retired, and also because when you look at many other franchises - whether it be Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Batman, Spider-Man, or Lord of the Rings - interest has been maintained in these franchises by virtue of hard work and talent from people that did NOT make them. Batman has enjoyed immense popularity for instance. But Batman has been around for over 70 years. The people that conceived of him are dead. Gene Roddenberry is dead, yet Star Trek remains popular despite that. Stan Lee is retired, yet there are writers out there keeping Spider-Man alive (though I will acknowledge that I've heard the recent turns in the franchise are really quite bad )
It's the same with Star Wars. There are many, many different people that contribute to the universe and give rise to some critically acclaimed content like Knights of the Old Republic, and I think it's silly to disregard that just because Lucas didn't make it. Star Wars will persist past Lucas' retirement and will probably persist after Lucas has died, yet creative people will keep it alive.
If it seems like I am suddenly going to bat for the EU after previously saying I didn't care about it not too long ago, well the transition was pretty sudden. It was a hypocritical view.
As with anything involving different writers and creative talent, I don't find everything in the EU to be good. Just as when I read Superman stories contributed by many different authors, I'll occasionally hit bad ones. But if someone is really going to go through Star Wars withdrawals and wants to hit a treasure trove of Star Wars content, I would encourage them to look into the EU - whether it be the games, novels, an/or comics. There is a mountain of content there that is ever growing. And if you are like I was and have an aversion to picking up a Star Wars novel or comic, I'd encourage going to Dark Horse' website and browsing their digital comics section (usually about $1.99/issue) and picking a couple issues that sound like they'd be interesting (there are several Star Wars titles). You won't have to set foot into a comic book store (but I hate buying digitally and I like to support the local shop), and nobody will see the hard copy on your book shelf if you're self conscious about it. It will be our dirty little secret.
With DC and Marvel - and comics that have been ongoing for years and years - there will periodically be "jumping on" issues where it will be written with a new audience in mind, that way they don't have to go back and start with issue #1 in the 1930s (in the case of some DC heroes). I don't know if Star Wars is the same. For instance if someone wanted to read Star Wars: Legacy, I don't know if there are multiple accessible entry points to just jump on in a recent issue, or if you're stuck going to the beginning.
The funny part with me is I've NEVER read ANY post-ROTJ EU. My goal was to burn through all the pre-ROTJ EU first, but soon as EP7 was announced I decided NOT to ever read the post-ROTJ EU as most likely EP7 will steamroll it into oblivion. In worst case at least some new EP7 EU will come out. But I'm hoping for some Ahsoka Dark Times EU. I want like 10 Timothy Zahn novels on her Or Karen Traviss, she seems to do better with girly topics.
The New Jedi Order is some of my favourite SW of all time. I would never have thought that a storyline could be written with such a strong story arc over 19 full length novels in the SW universe, while keeping every novel interesting, but there it is.
Personally, if Episode VII overwrites post-ROTJ EU, I'd like the novels to be able to continue with the current storyline anyway. No matter what happens in Episode VII, I still want to follow Ben and Jaina.
Ahsoka is a tricky case because I'm personally of the opinion that if she is going to live, she won't show up again. If she shows up again in the Dark Times, she's going to die.
As she walked down the steps of the Jedi Temple, Ahsoka tripped and broke her neck. She died later.
Filoni alternative: Ahsoka's neck would break the stairs and she would just have a mere scratch.
We have similar stories for sure! I hated reading books. I hated the thought of EU. To me (in the dark times 86-97) canon was the movies, then the video games. I had a few friends that swore by the "Thrawn Trilogy", but I dismissed it as "the books can't be as good as the movies". It wasn't until just before the release of ROTS that I had the fear again "wow, after this movie there will NEVER be SW again", so I made it a point to "try" out the EU. I started with Labyrinth of Evil (prequel to ROTS). It wasn't too bad. It wasn't until a couple years after ROTS that I wanted more of the PT, so I basically started reading EVERYTHING. I was hooked. I felt bad for not having read the Thrawn Trilogy, but I guess if his EU is going to be obliterated in the ST, I guess it's best I didn't get attached to him.
I too found a real good local comic book shop a few years ago and the owner was real good about putting all new SW books in my "file". However the owner moved to another store and the existing staff sucked at keeping me up to date.
But for me since I'm a fast reader, my new thing is getting the Omnibus'. I can get more reading time without all the individual comics.
Lets just hope in a worse case scenario more comics and novels keep coming..
And then they resurrected her with metal body parts in the ST and new animated series.
Say what you will about Filoni, but the reason I am most bothered by this is because I have 'no' faith in Disney to produce something new for TV that is not utter 'crap'. Even for the Filoni/Lucas haters, Lucasfilm animation could've produced something technically marvelous under new and different writing talent. That could've been enjoyable. Disney has nothing in its television department that comes close. Lucas funded these projects. TCW was flawed, but generally enjoyable, even visually impressive. I fail to see any new Disney star wars cartoons living up to even that level. Worse yet, we may never even see the final arcs and Season 5 on DVD/BD at all.
Can Disney do justice to a live action show? Maybe. We shall see, but like others have said, I have 'no' faith in their current TV animation department.
This decision by Disney makes me think we can pretty much kiss god by too any good star wars material on TV in the future. You don’t throw away a team that has made a quality animated show on this Level, you just don’t. Shows a lack of caring from the higher up’s. I bet we will mostly get soulless mass-produced shows made on the cheap from now on, Disney’s TV division has been a joke for the last 10+ years. The cancellation of all these Lucasfilm projects makes me think episodes 7-9 aren’t worth it.
I wouldn't be too worried about a Season 5 DVD/BD and Season 6/the 'bonus material' never seeing the light of day until an announcment is made on StarWars.com.
For those that are worries, maybe I am wrong but isn't Filoni working on the new show anyway and nothing in this article suggests otherwise, yes a lot of the TCW crew is going but it doesn't say he is not.
As for Starwars being soulless now, Well Yoda was advertising mobile phone networks and you cannot get more soulless than that. And are people really that naive to think that Boba Fett coming back for the Prequels and Maul's resurrection in TCW were for any other reason than they were popular!
People are also ignoring that it was Lucas decision to sell to Disney and become a shareholder, Nobody forced him too. They also forget he is still a shareholder in Disney and is big with both Kennedy and Iger, so would have had some knowledge that this would probably happen.
Yeah, people are like: "I hate you Disney, you've gone too far!", when it's really what they paid for, and what we all should've (George included) expected. I see little blame resting on Lucas, despite it being entirely his decision to sell it to Disney.
I've got to wonder how invested George was in the show given that he's seemingly fine with it being cancelled. It's hard to believe that Lucas wasn't aware of these changes.
I don't know, I reading a lot of 'This means no Filoni?' posts (both 'hooray' and 'nooo'), but this was never mentioned in the scoop provided by this unnamed source (quite the contrary, in fact):
"Lucasfilm employees... are being reassigned or let go." and "...the source did not name names."
In other words, some of the TCW team are being given their pink slips, but others are being tasked with new SW projects, we simply have no idea who is going where. It seems reasonable, though, that this 're-assignment' would be to the new Star Wars animated show, no? And along those lines, we were already given the head's-up earlier in the week by another scoop which suggested that Filoni would be on board with the new production, so who can really say with any amount of certainty exactly what is going on? Given all of this, I think it may be a bit premature to start calling this report an indication of Filoni's non-involvement.
I do wish the TCW team weren't being broken up (I had hoped for a similar look and feel to TCW for the new show and that would be best acheived by the same group), but with the recent confirmation of the show's cancellation, it probably shouldn't come as too big a shock. And yes, it's sad to think that some folks will be out of work (for about a New York minute, given their respective qualifications), but hell, things are tough all around. I'm not getting jack for hours at work myself. I'm a bit surprised to think that Disney may not be utilizing Lucas Animation as it is (was?) an up-and-running division which had been producing top-notch work. Still, it's their company now, to do with as they wish, so all I can say is I hope their decisions work out well for both the franchise and for us.
Then there's the segment which offers "that there are no clean resolutions to the story arcs of... Ahsoka Tano and Asajj Ventress in the unaired Season 6 material." Well, for Ahsoka, specifically, I say "so what?" Tano's had her 'clean resolution,' her closure. The only other scenario which would close her story any tighter would be her final story. Otherwise, we're just getting more Ahsoka just for the sake of more Ahsoka and her story would be left open-ended after already being given a fine send-off.
Rather like, well, Asajj Ventress. TCW already had a nice resolution written for her and aired at the end of "Bounty." Ventress was put on a new path in life, with her character having come full circle. Anything was possible with a future as wide open as could be. Instead of knowing when to quit, though, we had to see more Ventress (who I love - don't get me wrong) and now we're at a place where we will be left hanging in what feels like the middle of her new story, rather than at the end of the old and the start of better things for her.
When it comes to other important TCW characters, do I wish these 'bonus' arcs served to wrap-up certain storylines? Of course, but again, I'm not all that surprised to hear that they may not. When these stories were first written, they would have been for episodes which were meant to air during a regularly scheduled, sixth season on CN and unless the team had been told that they were working on the final season at the time, I imagine they were just continuing along as usual.
The real disheartening news, of course, is the suggestion that we may not get to see the remaining TCW episodes at all. Frankly though, I'm still of the opinion that these works will be made avaiable to us, but that the powers-that-be are still deciding on the format. I suppose we'll have to wait and see (and hope to the Force for the best).
Why didn't they do this with Marvel to this extent then?
The games canceledand the clone wars axed, I predict George Lucas will be surplus to requirements next
What show are you referring to? You're not talking about Clone Wars.
Disney didn't do to Pixar what it appears to be doing to Lucasfilm...
You know it is hillarious how fan bases always jump to extreme conclusions anytime they hear a smidget of information that they don't like. Take away the fact that hardly any details have been given at all (and for all we know what we heard could be false info coming from another fan site who is just trying to get readers). And for the details that were given all it said that some employees were being reassigned and some employees were let go. Meaning some employees are going to keep on working on other projects while others will not. Nothing else. Nothing else to go on and yet we still have dozens of people jumping to conclusions acting like the world is ending.
I know nobody likes change and as soon as something that you enjoy looks to be changing people often get up in arms. But come on people no need to get up all in arms when you only know about 5% of the story and don't even know for sure if that 5% is even true or not.
I will not stop posting until you tear my Jump-to-Conclusions Map(tm) from my cold dead hands!