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Lit Galactic Empire hierarchy

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Rax, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yep. Tua is a member of Lothal's local government, not the Empire's government.
     
  2. Grievpalpy75

    Grievpalpy75 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Black is for non-commissioned officers and stormtrooper officers.
     
  3. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    So they are basically just lower degree imperial officers? For instance, lieutenant is traditionally the first officer rank, would it be safe to say that they wear the black one?
     
  4. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Lieutenant is traditionally the first army commissioned officer rank, not so in the navy.

    The non-commissioned officer ranks are a completely different rank structure for the doers within the military. Your privates, sergeants, petty officers and the like. Typically there's a lot more non-commissioned officers than commissioned officers.
     
  5. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    What rank would you say that these guys have?
     
  6. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Since they're obviously commission officers, I assume they are ranked stormtroopers. At any rate, the second one used to be a stormtrooper officer in Legends anyway (Nahdonnis Praji).
     
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  7. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    I still don't get who wears green and black uniforms.. Like, the difference.
     
  8. Grievpalpy75

    Grievpalpy75 Jedi Knight star 2

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    Who wears green uniforms ?
     
  9. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I have no idea what military branch they're in, never mind actual ranks. Unfortunately the ranking structure within the Empire was probably not given deep thought during the production of the OT, and therefore a logical and consistent ranking structure can not be implied. Your guess is as good as mine.
     
  10. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    The "regular" officer uniform is colored sort of olive-green. Any imperial officer not wearing the black one wears is.

    Like, "stormtrooper officer" doesen't make much sense to me, because all imperial officers can command stormtroopers and are in the stormtrooper corps (From what we can make out of it).
     
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  11. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This ins't factual, but someone has taken the time time to come up with something.

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    Most of the star destroyer officers seems to wear a dark green (olive) uniform.
     
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  12. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    All officers (regardless of the military branch they belong to) can command stormtroopers, yes, but not all officers are part of the Stormtrooper Corps. I don't know what gave you that impression.
    Stormtrooper Corps is a specific branch of the Army. Meaning that there are also navy officers and, presumably, non-stormtrooper army officers.
     
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  13. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    The pattern sort of breaks when we get to for instance Aresko and Grint from rebels, wearing that and they are army-officers. Also LelalMekha Aresko and Grint should be in the stormtrooper corps yet they wear the olive green one. There are more examples to this aswell.
     
  14. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't think all Imperial officers are in the Stormtroopers Corps. I would say any Imperial officer can command a stormtrooper operationally yes. But administratively the Stormtrooper Corps probably has their own administrative command structure with officers who may have unique uniforms.
     
  15. Ackbar's Fishsticks

    Ackbar's Fishsticks Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    For some reason I thought the stormie corps was an elite force separate from either Army or Starfleet? I may be misremembering or remembering obsolete data, though.
     
  16. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Wookieepedia says they still are - canon pages:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Military
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper_Corps

    although they are overseen by the Army.

    ISB wear black trousers, (except possibly Agents) and seem to lack pockets for cylinders - at least in Yularen's case.

    That said, Inspector General Jeems does have them:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bozeden_Jeems

    maybe Yularen's lacking them in ANH and Rebels is special circumstances?

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    I would guess that "code cylinder uniform" is used when a character expects to use those cylinders every day to get in and out of places.
     
  17. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    The black uniform makes no sense as to the information we have this far. Stormtrooper corps is main component of imperial army. They really need to clarify this issue.

    Onto another question regarding the ISB. These are the ranks I have gathered so far in canon, I think this is all of them so far.

    Director
    Deputy Director
    Colonel
    Inspector General
    Senior Commander
    Agent

    Which order do they go in? And what do they each do?
     
  18. PCCViking

    PCCViking 6x Wacky Wednesday Winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I'm wondering if the black uniforms were originally supposed to be worn by Star Destroyer officers and the Death Star operators/detention officers. In A New Hope, we only saw the upper echelons wear the grey uniforms (Tarkin, Motti, and Tagge).
     
  19. JABoomer

    JABoomer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I feel that while we can try and pound this square peg into a round hole and come up with a ranking/uniform system that fits in with everything we've seen in the movies, it's likely that the producers of the films did not spend as much time on rank and uniforms as we are now. This means that a consistent rank/uniform system will likely not exist.
     
  20. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yes, nothing in Star Wars makes any sense. Best give up.


    Missa ab iPhona mea est.
     
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  21. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Marge Simpson: Some women say you can't change a man, THOSE WOMEN ARE QUITTERS!

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  22. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think the black uniform makes sense as a uniform giving to officers who either through rank or function (I.e., non-comes or Stormtrooper specialist officers) are expected to wear Stormtrooper armor when engaged in actual combat, but still have enough status that they can act as military aides or uniformed officers when not engaged in combat. Once you attain a high enough level that frontline combat is not required (though still preferred for some), you start wearing the gray "naval" uniform, and when you engage in actual combat, you wear the officer cuirass and kobuto style helmet that we've seen Thrawn, Tarkin, and Veers wear.

    Of course it also pays to keep in keep in mind that most high ranking officers in history have had far more leeway in their uniforms than their subordinates, and both Thrawn and Agent Kallus may be practicing some form of this, since they include some tailored shoulders on their uniforms.

    The Colonel rank for ISB may be a Yularen only thing, since he actually had a full fledged military career and was a part of Military Intelligence (which has a rivalry with ISB) for some time, so it may be he holds a military commission he prefers to use, while the other ranks are certified ISB ones.
     
  23. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Master star 3

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    Well in the case of lego in the new 75159 Death Star set it labels the lego black uniformed imperial officer as a "Imperial Navy Officer" but I don't know how canonical that is... Though I always found it weird probably as a continuity error from ANH to ESB that in ANH Black uniformed officers seem to be lower rank officers or out of armor stormtrooper officers (like Commander Wolfe out of armor in TCW), Grey uniformed are High ranking officers (moffs, generals, admirals), White uniformed with black pants are ISB. But in ESB like changing imperial rank plaques they forgot to keep consistency in officers as now all officers wear grey uniforms besides low ranking black uniformed officers on star destroyers and in ROJ all deck crew on SSD were black uniformed besides Admiral Piett and the Fleet Commander.
    Also nitpicky detail, but what determines when and why you wear a hat while being an officer?
    Because Tarkin and other major joint chiefs of the empire in ANH don't wear them or only some of the time. While from ESB forwards all imperial officers wear them all the time. While in Rogue One Officers like Krennic will only wear them outside while not inside... It's just star wars consistency kills me....
     
  24. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The hats seem to be optional. In ANH, Yularen isn't wearing a hat in the briefing room scene (and it's not like it's just sitting on the table or on a hook on the wall or something), but he is wearing one later when you see him walking down the hallway.
     
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  25. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    It is kind of interesting how the ISB is supposed to be the WHITE uniformed guards.

    But Zahn made that a super high rank.

    So much so it created a continuity error when they asumed Yularen was a Grand Admiral.