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Lit Galactic Empire hierarchy

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Rax, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    I was thinking the exact same. We need Pablo.
     
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  2. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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  3. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    Does he actually answer ofen though? Or is it very rarely?
     
  4. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    He does answer quite often.
     
  5. Senpezeco

    Senpezeco Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You wrote Grand Admiral twice instead of Grand General vs. Grand Admiral -- might want to delete and retweet or follow up with a clarification before Pablo hits you with a snarky non-answer over the wording :p Edit: And it's updated -- thank you for sending him the question.
     
  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    And also that the Emperor doesn't really care about the minutiae of ruling, so he has his Ruling Council run things for him.

    Don't confuse rank and position. The Emperor could put a puppy in charge of the military, if he wanted to. He's the Emperor.
     
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  7. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I maintain Palpatine MUST appoint Jar Jar Supreme Chancellor of the Imperial Senate at some point.

    Either that or a Tauntaun.
     
  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I do want Binks as an Imperial Advisor, yes. He's an Imperial founding father. There should be statues of him in the Palace.
     
  9. Ewoklord

    Ewoklord Jedi Master star 2

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    I've been throwing around the idea of writing a fanfic about the Gungan Resistance in the early days of the Empire, a sort of Apocalypse Now following a Clone Commando unit sent to hunt down a rogue Inquisitor that's retreated to the swamps of Naboo, co-opting the more extreme parts of resistance movement. I love the idea of Jar Jar being the Imperial stooge, trying to reassure the Gungan population that everything will be fine under the Empire. Of course, this leads to most Gungans viewing Jar Jar as a traitor.
     
  10. Grievpalpy75

    Grievpalpy75 Jedi Knight star 2

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    In Life Dept Rae Sloane and many other imperial officers wonder why Kenner Loring was made Grand General instead of Hodnar Borrum.
    So no he is not self appointed.

    Edit: Sheev likely just made Tagge supreme commander to mock Vader.
     
  11. Rax

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    I am not confusing rank and position (I might've expressed confusion, but I'm aware of the differences). I am just assuming Grand General is a military rank (not position, considering Tagge already held the Chief of the Imperial Army), aswell because Grand Admiral is similar. Of course he made Tagge the supreme commander to mock Vader, but looking aside from that, there is a certain structure of the empire either way. So the "Tagge was made supreme commander to mock Vader" statement becomes almost irrelevant. Because there is still a Grand General rank, which we aren't certain what means. Maybe Palpatine gave Tagge the power to such command even though his ranks do not correspond to such, etc.

    Good old speculation graph:

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    Why was Tagge the leader of the military as the databank states?

    1) The rank of Grand General grants him such power
    2) The position of Chief of the Imperial Army+Grand General grants him that
    3) Palpatine bestowed the power upon him while his position and ranks does not relate to such power.

    -> How would the so called "Leader of Military" relate to Grand Admirals?
     
  12. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But Tagge has graphs AND the command.
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Rax Yes, so Tagge's rank is grand general. His rank has nothing to do with his role as Supreme Commander (our term, not the comic's). Being grand general was just a feather in his cap -- a rank of sufficient dignity to fit his new position.

    And yes, to annoy Vader.
     
  14. Rax

    Rax Jedi Master star 3

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    Wait, so you believe option 3 of my graph?
     
  15. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Could very well be his position is like the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Highest ranking military officer. Not necessarily by actual rank but by billet. And the Chairman is whoever is appointed....Army, Navy, Air Force...or as it is currently a Marine. That means all military command goes up to him.
     
  16. Sable_Hart

    Sable_Hart Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Do we have any semblance of the positions Tarkin, Thrawn, and Vader hold relative to one another during this time? I know Vader has no formal rank until after-ANH, but he does seem subordinate to Tarkin.
     
  17. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I don't think Vader actually HAD to stop choking Motti. I think Vader was only "subordinate" to Tarkin in Leia's mind and simply respected Tarkin as well as his requests. They seem to address each other as equals and the only reason Vader lets Motti go is because Tarkin is asking him to make more of a show than he's already done so.

    Rogue One adds some more ambiguity to their positions as well.

    My view is Vader's official position is that he's the Emperor's Emissary (or "Hand") who works as the Mouth of Sauron. He has his own Star Destroyer and a lot of discretionary power but no official power yet speaks for the Emperor.
     
  18. Ghost

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    I wonder how Palpatine first introduced Vader, after ROTS.

    Did he just invite Vader to an important meeting, with Vader just standing there over everyone, breathing heavy, never introduced and no one brave enough to ask?
     
  19. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I always liked the version given in Wedge's Gamble.
     
  20. Ghost

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    What's that?
     
  21. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Vader is the sole Jedi who didn't participate in a coup against Palpatine but was horribly injured in the process.

    Which is true, from a certain point of view.
     
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  22. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Hmmm, if Krennic is the Grand Admiral equivalent (albeit without the title) head of Imperial DARPA does that mean Zaarin is his likely successor?
     
  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    No. His rank badge shows the equivalency of admiral. The VG also says that weapons research falls under Imperial Intelligence, so Krennic probably answers to the Director of Imperial Intelligence.
     
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  24. Iron_lord

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    It also calls the ISB a "sister agency" though it's not 100% clear if its a sister agency to Weapons Research (so, both within Imperial Intelligence) or a sister agency to Imperial Intelligence itself.

    Given that Yularen is still an ISB colonel in the newcanon (being Kallus's immediate superior), and also is Deputy Director of the Naval Intelligence Agency which falls within Imperial Intelligence, that suggests the two are much more close to one another than in Legends - maybe the ISB is a subdivision of Imperial Intelligence now, just like Weapons Research is.
     
  25. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think they meant the ISB is the sister agency of the Intelligence, not the AWR.