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Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by StartCenterEnd, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. StartCenterEnd

    StartCenterEnd Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Does the Star Wars setting take place in one galaxy or multiple galaxies? There are references to both the galaxy and the universe in the Saga. How aware is the galaxy far away of other galaxies or even other universes?
     
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  2. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Two galaxies - the main one, a big spiral, and (for a few AOTC scenes) the Rishi Maze, a very small satellite galaxy where Kamino is.
     
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  3. HevyDevy

    HevyDevy Force Ghost star 5

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    I didn't know Kamino was in a different galaxy. Makes sense.
     
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  4. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....

    Not sure where the idea that Kamino is in another galaxy comes from. Even in the Jedi archives scene in AOTC, Obi-Wan zooms in the location where Kamino is supposed to be, and that's still within the galaxy.
     
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  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    12 parsecs, on a galactic scale, is tiny. "12 parsecs outside the Rishi Maze" is still close enough that it's basically part of it.

    And the Rishi Maze, in canon, is a satellite galaxy:

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rishi_Maze

    with Kamino being "extragalactic but straggling near the Rishi Maze"

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kamino

    The Rishi Maze is the object on the top left, above the main galaxy:

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    If we are to assume that the Rishi Maze is the one on the top left, then Kamino is definitely not part of it, but part of the main galaxy (the scene makes that perfectly clear). It is below the Rishi Maze (south of it), but well within the main galaxy.
     
  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The galaxy is about 30,000 parsecs in diameter (the norm for a spiral galaxy). The Rishi Maze looks like its about 5000 parsecs above the galactic plane. Thus, 12 parsecs below the Rishi Maze is still going to be 4978 parsecs above the disc.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Extragalactic

    Dex specifically says Kamino is beyond the Outer Rim.
     
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  8. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    The evidence on screen doesn't corroborate that. Obi-Wan points to (and mentions) one of the galaxy's quadrants (again, still south of the Rishi Maze), Jocasta Nu zooms in on the main galaxy and that's where Kamino is located.
     
  9. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Sometimes what's seen on screen isn't 100% accurate. Like the Forest Moon varying from 10x the size of the DS2 to over 100x the size of the DS2.
     
  10. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    What we see is meant to be more important than mentioned distances or offhand references to places the audience can't identify. That's why we see the map to begin with. So that we can know what's going on and where is what.
     
  11. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Regardless, canon says Kamino is not in the disc, but outside it, extragalactic - so that's the case.
     
  12. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    He doesn't recognize that though. Only media directly overseen by Lucas, being the six original saga movies, and I think The Clone Wars.
     
  13. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    He doesn't even accept novelizations that had been "directly overseen and edited by Lucas".

    The simplest answer is - since Jocasta appears to be zooming in on the core of the galaxy, but Obi-Wan had been pointing at the far left of the map - that Jocasta's actually not as good as she thinks she is.

    Remember the "If it's not in our archives it doesn't exist" claim?
     
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  14. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    *shrug*
     
  15. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I could see Obi-Wan doing a re-search after Jocasta's unhelpful zoom, that narrowed it down more accurately.

    You can tell by the dust clouds that Jocasta's zoom is not centered on where Obi-Wan's fingertip actually is on the screen:

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    I always took that as her zooming in on a section of the map that Obi-Wan had already selected in the computer.
     
  17. BadCane

    BadCane Jedi Master star 4

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    Wait. So Kamino is not in the GFFA? I am really shocked.
     
  18. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Only if you restrict the term "the galaxy" to the Core and the Disc. Treating everything with the Halo Region as part of the galaxy, even satellite galaxies themselves (and their outlying members), allows it to still loosely count.

    Kamino is 70,000 light years from the Core (presumably, by "Core" they mean the centre of the galactic bulge)

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kamino

    and, being roughly 100,000 light-years diameter or just over (Legends narrows it down to 120,000) Kamino is further away than the outermost Rim stars would be.
     
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  19. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    The Nagai and Tof come from a Satellite galaxy. And there are 6 other satellite galaxies in the EU.
    Also, can't forget the Yuuzhan Vong Galaxy with the Yuuzhan Vong, Silentium, Abominor and Chazrak.
    Never mind Otherspace, Waru's reality, the Rozzum reality, that one alien from the Han Solo comic, etc.
     
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  20. cubman987

    cubman987 Friendly Neighborhood Saga/Music/Fun & Games Mod star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    @Outsourced and @Iron_lord please stay on topic and avoid discussing other users in the threads please.
     
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  21. crazyewok

    crazyewok Jedi Knight star 3

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    Remember space is 3d and a galaxy it' only a few thousand light years thick.
     
  22. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Yup. If "galaxy" is treated as "sphere including all the halo stars and globular clusters" it can be much bigger than the part that's easily visible though.