Amph Game Of Thrones (uh i guess it's done now? Edit: No!)

That was like 6 years ago! I just wanted to check Rome actually has way more graphic sexual content than GoT, though both have a lot of nudity. But in both cases this is a function of the *network*, not the writers. More on this later.

Now I really am going to go back to my movie

 

Here's my 2 cents, solojones:

I have no problem with them deciding to streamline and simplify, it's absolutely necessary given the source material. But simplifying doesn't have to mean dumbing down. As Iello stated earlier, they dumbed down the Rob romance and the plot suffered for it. They dumbed down the whole Tyrion-Tywin dynamic last year, and one of the best scenes in the series was left far, far weaker for it. Now they've followed up on that already in season five by treating us like idiots regarding Cersei's motivation for hating Tyrion from the day he was born. Valon-what? God forbid we should have to remember multiple syllable words, especially for more than an episode or two.

EDIT: And, to make things worse, after doing that "trimming", they add crap in like "Jon and Bran's Excellent Adventure at Craster's", and "The Ironborn and their Fear of Dogs" (or Keys, we can't really be sure).

 

All issues only if you've read the books. I think Arya's character is great. I'm glad I haven't had to compare it to the book every time ive watched an episode with her. I didn't have to think that the best scene was dumbed down... It was just a great scene to me.

Hence why it's annoying when there's constant comparison to the books by book people in the thread about the tv show. Given the book thread is about books that take 5 years to write, surely there's ample opportunity to contrast the tv shows to the books in there?

 

Meow!

 

I too would like to lodge a complaint only more generally against all people who read books.

 

My Opinion Loved the episode. much better than some of that crap we got last season. Grey worm..... Yesterday I was only talking about how much I liked/respected Mance and now he's dead. Killed by my second favourite character Stannis. I enjoyed it a lot because of Stannis at the wall. I've been waiting for it.
Some interesting catches:
Cersei's dress reminded me of Margaery's in season two making me think that she's the younger queen- though I still think it's too obvious and it's someone else (I like to think Sansa but I'm still not sure)
Sansa's going west- The music had a hint of the Stark/Winterfell tune- maybe it's just Sansa's theme (which we've never properly heard if I'm not mistaken leading to the fact she's been "tamed") or they are heading to Winterfell or Riverrun.
Mance's burning reminded me of Ned's father and brother by Mad King Aery's.- Maybe linking to the fact that Melisandre lit the pyre and Stannis is under her "influence". I half feel Stannis has lost his way and is not crazy but hell bent on getting what is his to the point where he's doing something he has no right to.
20 Bastards? Where the heck are the rest? Will this be cleared up or just brushed aside?
Did they forget about the battle? Shouldn't there be rubble everywhere? No one has wounds? Made me question that they are just training. Why would Jon train the boy who killed Ygritte?.
The witch kinda threw me I knew it was coming but just a "witch" obviously she's using Blood Magic but is this expanded on? Which god does she serve/use?
Unsullied go to Brothels? again very strange.
Daenery's bores the hell out of me just want the dragons to kill her and wreak havoc. obviously it's not going to happen but still. Makes Dany interesting. She sleeps with Daario now? A man three times her age?
What did the dragons eat?
Unsullied armour makes them look inspired from the Anglo-Saxon helmet:
Sparrows? I know this is coming but surely Cersei should know? I mean she's queen regent?
Gay scene. How the mighty have fallen. Poor Loras. Kill that Olivar guy makes loras act like a baby. I love the calback to the fact that Margaery doesn't care about it and that she would have been okay if renly has "needed" Loras.
Lancel- He needs his hair back I mean he's a walking joke like Moonboy and Ser Dontos.


*note this was mentioned on the previous page so I don't want to get penalised for this: Has Balon Died yet in the show?*

 

Remember, several of Robert's bastards were killed in season 2. It stands to reason that, as far as the show is concerned, Gendry is the only one left. #stillrowing

 

well, yeah, i blame solojones for asking the question this last round of discussion but still, this thread has been one constant bitchfest from book readers. i dunno, i don't really find the modern characterizatoin a problem... i never even thought of it. it's a fantasy, they can have the characters do what they like. at the end of the day the show is designed for the masses, not fantasy nerds.

as for the nudity, i don't really have an issue with it. i don't see why nudity should be considered so risque anyway, but that's just me.

 

It's more a 'Murikan thing, the problem (or fear) with nudity.

 

I think it's the way the show often uses nudity, like product placement, so absurdly that it could only be improved by a Monty Pythonesque "Now For the Scene Where We Show Tits" banner designed by Terry Gilliam.

 

complaining about a bit of extra boobage in a tv show seems the very definition of a first world problem.

i like boobs. we should all embrace the boobs. yay boobs!

 

It's not the nudity. It's that it's treated like softcore pornography. I think it was a SNL sketch that had a 12-year-old HBO exec demanding boobs and that's exactly how it seems. The sexposition in particular really treats the audience like idiots.

But for me that really is far from my main issue with the writing.

 

So, the prostitutes compliance in the murder of Toilet Duck, or whatever his name was. Does that indicate the rebel rumblings are more than just the lunatic fringe, but could be a popular movement, or did she do it for the money?

 

I remember now. It was what a two minute segment? Too small and just brushed over for something that feels pretty important. Poor Gendry that guy got shafted pretty quickly, same with Renly and Balon.
I don't mind the nudity but is it necessary? no it makes me feel like oh the audience is bored give them boobs. I don't mind if it's necessary- Sons of the Harpy but that scene with Littlefinger teaching whores took the Benjen. Some of the writing is pretty shoddy but overall it's a nice show to watch. My show only friends all mentioned how boring it was and the wall "sucks". Seemed Like I was the only one who liked it.

 

Get new friends.

 

Well. It doesn't matter. Say Anyone on the Westoros Forums?

 

Admittedly I have a hard time detaching my viewing of the show from what happened in the books. But, for me, I just don't see Tyrion's motivation for being so hell-bent on killing his father the way the show set it up.

 

It has nothing to do with being "fantasy nerds." Consistent characterization is a fundamental part of story-telling, and a very low bar to clear. We expect that writers establish settings because they mean something, and that characters have personalities because their actions somehow correlate to those personalities. But this sort of thing throws all that out the window.

Consider how much of this show we're supposed to excuse or explain by the feudal set-up: the incredible violence, the political system, the obsession with genealogy, the complete lack of women's rights or general due process. Over and over again, we are told characters specifically behave the way they do because Game of Thrones--and particularly Game of Thrones, unlike Pratchett or Brooks or Tolkien or Lewis--is a realistic depiction of feudal life. How many times have they barked about the show revealing what things are "actually" like? Yet, in the case of the Robb/Talisa romance, they break from it in absurd and bold-faced fashion, without the slightest hint of explanation.

Why? If that sort of thing is reasonable to expect, Why can't we expect all the lords to have written a Constitution and become a democracy at Robert's death? Why would we expect anyone to listen to the commands of a sociopathic teenager? Why do people arbitrarily act like they are part of a feudal society, but then leap into modernity when ever the writers feel like it?

 

Right, because there is only one way all people and characters must act because. Some of you just have to admit you are doing nothing but upping your post count.

 

In every other circumstance in the show, Robb acts like a person who lives in feudal society. He even acts like that in the middle of the absurd and decidedly modern romance with Talisa. He even talks about how he's acting like that when not acting like that.