Amph Game Of Thrones (uh i guess it's done now? Edit: No!)

Don't know that "paranoid" is the right word. All media are pretty clear that Joffrey is legitimately a sociopath, and legitimately abusive of her.

 

I don't know what he did in the books, but they made Tyrion a saint because he was a breakout character thanks to Peter Dinklige's performance. One thing with television is that how an actors portrayal can affect where a characterg goes, and if a character is popular enough as a jerk with a heart, then that's going to get amplified. That's just a fact of life.

 

I actually think that Sansa has been one of the more interesting/compelling characters these last few seasons.

 

Bronn topped the pop charts in England. He IS the best at everything.

 

I don't see book Sansa as stupid as much as young and naïve, she's clearly read too many fairy tales and believes that is how real life works. Once she gets in with the Lannisters she gets a cruel awakening as to reality in Westeros. But she is still a child (she doesn't even have mood blood yet) and in way over her head.

By the near end of the current books, the toll of all that has happened as well as the dual identity (not really depicted in the show, so no sure how spoilery it is) start to affect her mind and she kind of starts losing it.

Arya is a fascinating character and one of my favorites, but she is even younger than Sansa and seems to be a bit more world weary, but still very naïve as well. However she adapts a totally different method of coping by becoming a bad ass as means of survival, and turns her anger outward and becomes what in some parlances would be referred to as an injustice collector vowing revenge on all who wronged her. Not exactly the most moral character, even though I totally get her.

There are no really black and white characters in GOT, even the baddies such as Cersei have some good buried in them (deeply and hard to see) and the "good" characters also occasionally do not do nice things. One reason I love it so much as they characters aren't all black or white, they are three dimensional and like in the real world, **** can happen to anybody and the good guys don't always win.

 

Dinklage can play that, Jello. But the writers won't take that risk due to capitalism.

 

Capitalism? You mean broad appeal? Because HBO built its reputation on flawed-if-not-downright-evil protagonists (white male anti-heroes!), and Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul are popular shows about men becoming more evil. It's not as though the audience would turn on a more flawed Tyrion; the... er, less sophisticated segments were actively cheering Tony Soprano and Walter White right until the end. I think the big difference is that David Chase, David Simon, Vince Gilligan, etc. simply knew how to write well.

 

Do they though?

Do they?

lol, how hard was that to type with ham fists?

(capitalism is about risk taking. HBO have taken a lot of risks such as running a cop show that had no clear heroes, or supporting a Western with the highest rate of F-bombs and C-Words known to man, or funding a fantasy TV series based on extremely popular niche novels and headed by arguably a pair of utter chumps who traded sophistication, good writing, complex plot, compelling narrative, deep and layered motivation for boobs, violence, and a product that the common person loves deeply)

 

I just wanted to call it out, Jello.

We are in the show thread after all.

 

I think Tyrion has been dragged through the mud and pushed around so much in S1-4 that I kinda buy he'd be nicer to the general population by now, especially if they're folk across the sea that he doesn't have any quarrel with and the higher muckity-mucks in Westeros didn't exactly treat him with dignity. Either he's going to become more embittered or grow from it. He's still drinking anyway, though, so there's that.

 

"Higher muckity mucks"?

GrandAdmiralJello, what is this man saying?

 

in other news, i've gotten the game of thrones mod for crusader kings 2, and i can't stop playing. it's making me want to give the books another go.

 

Pfft, that mod is fan fiction especially with regards to Essos.

 

Tyrion faces prejudice because of his dwarfism. A prejudice poor and common people also have.

 

Yes, and his extensive experience with ableism has warped his mindset. He demolishes a shantytown in preparation for the defense of King's Landing and when commoners start to hate him he automatically assumes it's just because he's a "dwarf" (and not because of his typical aristocratic callousness). He assumes his child bride, Sansa Stark, dislikes him simply because of his condition.

 

Look at Wocky, generalising the poor as dwarves!

The poor are gross for reasons other than height, Wocky.

 

Erm, Ender? Targets of prejudice don't "have" it, they experience it. To say someone "has" prejudice is to say that they possess the attitudes or feelings being described.

 

Erm Wocky, I think the key point we both agree on is that the poor are gross.



(Psst. Scoot closer Wocky. Ready? I wasn't being serious.)

 

Apparently the first episode of this season caused a drop in porn traffic

 

I don't really see Sansa last season as a "reversion" personally, her circumstances were worse but unlike her earlier story she does play an active part in overcoming them and generally shows a good deal more strength of character.

 

My problem with Sansa stems from the weird heel-face-turn she does in "Storm of Swords" when Margaery and Olenna invite her to lunch.
Given everything that she's been through, she's naturally going to be scared and wondering if they're in league with Joffrey, now that Margaery is betrothed to him.....and that makes sense.

BUT....as soon as Loras shows up to escort her to Margaery and Olenna, all that doubt and fear is instantly wiped way because for Sansa, Loras is like a knightly cross between N'Sync and Jesus. Immediately she's swooning over him yet again, and wishing for a wedding. Now that emotional u-turn would be bad enough by itself.....but at this point, Loras is rocking the white cloak of a KINGSGUARD.
1. Kingsguard cannot marry, nor inherit a title.With all of the years of her prim-and-proper social upbringing, Sansa of all people would know this.
2. He's wearing the white cloak. If one of the Tyrells was going to sell her out to Joffrey, he would be the most likely candidate.

Basically she forgets everything about her current situation just because Loras is cute.