Amph Game Of Thrones (uh i guess it's done now? Edit: No!)

Also, that "Sansa/Arya plot" was only in the last 2 episodes.

 

You can't say a plot was important but its resolution was a "minor detail." This is like the Death Star attack happening offscreen in ANH. Yeah, you could make up some version of the battle based on the fact that they skipped right to the happy awards ceremony. But it would be a bizarre way to tell a story and painfully idiotic.

 

Wocky, the cynical part of me thinks they do this kind of thing on purpose just to keep the audience guessing and talking about it.

 

What're you talking about? There was a resolution. They executed Littlefinger, then it showed the sisters getting along like they used to.

 

They never really got along... in the books they have a bit more detail on their relationship.

 

Oh right. I guess this execution has brought them closer together.

 

Actually, the books have already set up quite well how someone can get control of a LIVE, NON-WIGHT dragon without the need for magic ice javelins, wights diving and pulling giant chains out of their asses or Ben-Gay breath. So care to make a wager? I'll even change my icon to Pogba for 7 years if Martin has it happen the same way as in the show.

Look, I could live with any of the things I complain about on an individual basis. Much as the PT and things like Leia's memories of her mother, it's the totality of all these holes/inconsistencies/etc that bother me. Case in point, I finally got caught up with Season 6, watched the finale and rather enjoyed it despite having few logic problems. Overall it was excellently done. No story is without its problems, be it the OT, LotR (books and Films) and even the ASOIAF books. But the show has reached a point where they're uninterested in or incapable of even coming close to making an effort, it's all about shocks and twists, regardless of how the plot or characters had developed previously.

As for you Arya/Sansa, the problem for me was the set up. Scene after scene the past few weeks had nothing to do with tricking Littlefinger but solely with tricking the audience. Good writers wouldn't have to sink to that.

 

It's boring uninteresting information. Exactly how they resolved their issues & what was said doesn't matter. Clearly the three Stark kids got together, shared information & worked it all out. They then turned the tables on Littlefinger. That's it. We don't need to be spoon-fed every single bit of dialogue. If we'd seen all of that in sequence then it would've been soo predictable. Littlefinger would've been exposed by way of exposition between characters when he's not even there. Then we'd just yawn through the reveal where he comes unstuck. What a dramatically dull way of presenting it.

I don't think that discussing & defending a show we like is a waste of time. Spending countless hours of your time complaining about one on the other hand...

 

I'm probably just making crap up here, but in a way this is like a pack of wolves going in for the kill. The pack surrounds the mockingbird. The alpha female of the pack attracts all the attention. The prey is more afraid of the alpha female than the rest of the pack. The alpha female decides not to get her claws dirty because she's got bigger prey to deal with and lets a younger sibling make the kill.

Now when they inevitably redo this book series I want them to Watership Down it with cartoon animals as the characters.

 

The viewpoints of main characters and their relationships to one another is "boring uninteresting information."

. . .

What an audience. What a show.

Seriously, why do you people even bother? You can find CGI monster fights on YouTube. Darker parts of the internet have plenty of pornography, too. Everything you want without wasting time on "boring unlimited eating" things like an actual story. Sigh.

 

why do you watch it then?


Don't get me wrong I prefer the books and the show clearly has major deficiencies but if it irks you this much, why do you watch?

 

Being a contrarian is usually about attention seeking.

 

I watch by invitation as a social activity because I care about the people I do it with more than my personal entertainment preference. But partly it's not the show. I'm more put off by people's response to criticism.

I don't think anyone has a question of whether the bad guys will lose in the end. Of course they will. But the real question is how we get there. How do these characters change and grow as a result of their experience? What do they come to understand that they didn't before? What transforms them along the way? These are at the center of storytelling. Sometimes, it's been an amazing ride. Arya's path in the books seeing the consequences of war and struggling with PTSD have been a real treat. Even the show's exploration of her struggles with the morality of being an assassin and disappointments on the road were something worth watching.

But now the show completely ignores those elements and I'm being told to shut up about it so long as a CGI ice dragon destroys a CGI wall.

 

I like how you mention "CGI dragon". Guess they should've had a puppet dragon destroy a real wall. Preferably by chewing through it.

 

I did stop watching from Sansa's wedding through the end of Season 6. I caved at the start of 7 because I want to see how things play out, especially sinceI have my doubts that George will ever finish the books. And I went back and watched season in parallel. I really don't "hate watch". I go into each episode hopefully optimistic. Some episodes are OK, especially in Season 6. But the whole Ramsey-North plot was a disaster, and this season was by and large pointless. I'll watch the final season when it comes out, but with very low expectations.

 

So you get called on this crap and then

Respond with that load of bull. Is there some master class of trolling in college that is available now? You hate watch the show, then come in here to piss on it, then when called on it you act all innocent. Ah, but it's this response to your crap that is getting you the chuckles. Allow me to speak for some folks, trolling or not your opinion sucks.

 

It's the same bs he spouts when he nosily trolls his usual critique of MCU movies. "I watch them coz I have no choice in the matter because I'm with someone that wants to see them, even though I supposedly hate them".

BS. You don't want to see something you disliked, you simply don't. You excuse yourself whichever way and do something else. If you don't, it's because you do WANT to watch, play, whatever, this thing your claim you hate, then making excuses to justify bs troll posts on the internet.

 

id accept the wager but its largely pointless as if martin keeps his recent activity up we'll find out in about 10 years and we'll have forgotten about it by then lol

that said, the show is a different medium to the books. it's just visually impressive to see an undead dragon. it's visually appealing to see it breath ice fire. if you're going to have an undead dragon, the latter just lends itself naturally. the average viewer would ask why it couldnt breathe ice fire, if all it was going to be able to do was gnaw on the ice. it would be a far less imposing and powerful creature. that shouldn't be a criticism, though. it's like complaining about the visual look of the hyper drive cockpit view ('scientifically it wouldn't actually look like that...'), but, you just go with it sometimes, because it isn't just words on paper.

 

If Martin keeps up his recent activity he will die and have a new trilogy of novels written by Brian Herbert based on his "unfinished notes."

 

i'd say that is quite likely.

 

That's a painfully idiotic comparison. The attack on the Death Star is the major action set piece that the whole movie builds towards. A chat between the 3 Stark kids where they expose Littlefinger's treachery is only an important plot point in that it happened. The exact detail & dialogue is not important to the plot. At all. Especially since an audience with even a modicum of intelligence will know the gist of what was said. That's evident given the revelations that came from each character as Baelish's rap sheet was read out & he was executed. A better Star Wars comparison would be Lando betraying Han & Leia. What was important was that it happened. That he made a deal with the Empire. The exact dialogue earlier between Lando & Vader where they made that deal is unimportant. Could that have made for an interesting scene? Sure, but that it all happened off-screen preserved the twist of Lando's betrayal in that great scene in the dining room. Just as the reveal when Sansa declared that Baelish was the one who's crimes were being listed worked far better dramatically the way the show depicted it.

 

It's not just about whether they "expose LIttlefinger's treachery." Sansa had the tools to do that from Episode 1 of this season. Once again, these two main characters came to the verge of killing one another. How did that incredible hatred just dissolve into friendship? It has to be more than just finding out Littlefinger was manipulating people. Littlefinger didn't make Arya feel like her sister had betrayed the family. Littlefinger didn't leave Sansa furious over the death of Lady. These are supposed to be more than pieces on chess board, moving towards the "END GAME." They were supposed to fully realized characerters, three dimensional, living and breathing. There would be tremendous emotional import in how they came back together and what new understanding of their shared past they have. It would be of major importance to those characters and their journey even if they didn't bring up Littlefinger a single time.

Plots don't just build towards action. An emotional moment or a character interaction can be just as central to the plot as something blowing up. Arya and Sana have a story that's not about magical monsters or kings taking over or stuff blowing up. It's about each other, family, and friendship. In those terms, their reconciliation was absolutely a Death Star. We've been building towards it for years now, with all sorts of ups and downs along the way. This should have been the payoff.

It is bizarre to me that you either can't grasp that or won't acknowledge it.

 

You just need to pay attention & the answers are all there. A key part of their division was the note that Arya intercepted where Sansa pleads on behalf of the Lannisters. As soon as Arya reveals that it was Littlefinger who sought out that note & planted it in his room his manipulations would be laid bare. He told Sansa that he had no idea where that note came from. That he knew nothing about it. Right there the Stark girls would know they've been played. Since Bran was clearly in on the discussions we also have his revelations to add to the mix. Baelish's betrayal of their father for one thing. Personally I see no reason why we need to be spoon-fed all of that via exposition. Sure it could've been shown on screen & perhaps been vaguely interesting. The trade-off is you're then left with a very predictable straightforward end for Littlefinger. None of the impact & thematic irony of having him (& the audience) blindsided by the backroom dealings of others, in the same way that he has screwed over so many people.
You're entitled to your opinions & criticisms, but I find the changes to the show that your views offer to be dull & uninspired. They'd result in a far less interesting & engaging story. One where the narrative plods along pedantically joining plot points A to B to C, while robbing the show of all momentum as you stop to address every single development raised over 7 seasons.

 

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