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Discussion in 'Community' started by Diggy , Mar 21, 2013.

  1. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    So why wouldn't someone be a ******* idiot for telling you not to be a Christian or a right-winger?
     
  2. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Such a person would be a ****ing idiot, because he or she would be making the incredibly offensive assumption that I couldn't figure that out on my own without his or her "help".
     
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  3. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    But if it is incredibly obvious that you should not be a Nazi, Christian, or Right-winger, what does that say about the people who are?
     
  4. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Not sure where you're going with this, but I also don't know why you think telling Christians or right wingers that they shouldn't be Christians or right wingers, is going to make them change their minds.
     
  5. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I agree. I am nowhere near as interested in changing the hearts and minds of Christians or right-wingers as I am in opposing them and preventing them from achieving any sort of political or social influence.
     
  6. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Okay, I was agreeing with what Strilo said about everybody being capable of imposing their biases and bigotry onto their kids. My parents were fanatical liberals... meaning they basically taught me that ALL conservatives and religious people were evil and/or insane. I don't believe in that way of thinking. I don't generalize like that. An example... there are people like Arlol who are Christian and preach about the rapture, repenting, ______ is "evil" or wrong, etc, and there are people like Kate who is Christian, but doesn't do that. I could easily see myself hanging out with Kate without feeling that had to defend anything I believe in, because she's not the kind of person who would put me in that position... and I wouldn't put her in a position where she had to defend her beliefs. I couldn't see myself hanging out with Arlol, because... well, yeah. So, because of that, I wouldn't teach my son that all Christians are bible thumping nutjobs. Does that make sense?
     
  7. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    That is where I fundamentally disagree.

    Offensive views do not become acceptable just because someone is less vocal about them.
     
  8. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Why is somebody's belief in a god offensive to you?
     
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  9. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I agree with EBB in that right-wing views are generally something to oppose and whose proponents should be marginalized. I wouldn't conflate it with Christianity in general, though. In terms of disgusting things to eliminate, religion is somewhere behind nationalism and capitalism and CBS. And, unlike those three, religion is doing a fine job taking care of itself.
     
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  10. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I think you'd have to be ******* insane not to be offended on some level that Christians believe you will suffer for eternity unless you agree with them, and moreover that you deserve it. That they wouldn't PHRASE it that way does not change that that is fundamentally what Orthodox Christians believe.
     
  11. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    I don't just blindly accept all beliefs... there is a point where I will argue against certain beliefs (I've done it here... several times). I'm just saying, teaching a child that all conservatives are evil isn't a good way to go about things. Addressing individual beliefs (or an individual's beliefs) is something different. I just don't believe in teaching children that entire groups of people are bad.
     
  12. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Yeah, some Greek dude told me that I should follow the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople or else.
     
  13. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    And I think the issue of demonizing or lionizing individuals is a red herring.
     
  14. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Katya Jade ... halp.
     
  15. tom

    tom Chosen One star 8

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    so would you say that people are defined moreso by their actions, and beliefs are secondary? but shouldn't your core beliefs at least to some extent define your actions, at least when it comes to important life decisions? i would think even the strictest form of nihilism would conform to this standard. now, in the case of something like christianity there is a wide spectrum of beliefs to be sure, and a lot of people who simply believe the basic message of jesus are certainly decent people who could be great company. but you specifically used the examples of hard core christians and hard core conservatives, implying that even people who are "bible thumping nutjobs" could still be fine. that's where i got confused.
     
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  16. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    So funny that I'm arguing against generalizations, and you are throwing generalizations at me. Like I said, individual beliefs are something different... like, I would probably suggest that my son stay away from people who commit hate crimes, and it would be a blanket statement. But I'm not going to tell him that all Christians are bad, or whatever. Like I said, I don't just blindly accept all differences... I look at each individually.
     
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  17. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    I don't think every christian believes I'm going to hell, and even if they did, it doean't really affect my interactions with them. A lot of my friends are Christian and know that I am an atheist. Not one said "By the way, Sean, you're going to hell and suffer for eternity."

    Yes, there are plenty of crappy Christians, but that doesn't mean we need to be crusading against every Christian we meet.
     
  18. George Roper

    George Roper Jedi Knight star 3

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    They shouldn't be able to use the word 'adoption'. That's our word.
     
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  19. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    That is what I am describing as a red herring. I don't want to put anyone to the sword, that doesn't mean I am willing to mince words re: the fact that I find Christianity objectionable.
     
  20. TahiriVeilaSolo69

    TahiriVeilaSolo69 Force Ghost star 5

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    Man, I really hate Republicanz.
     
  21. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    So brave
     
  22. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I am 99.9% certain that you once told me that it was wrong to offend against Christianity because Christians like you identify personally with/have their ego wrapped up in the religion.
     
  23. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    I'm fairly certain I was one of those Christians that no one wanted to be around. But right now you are being one of those athiests no one wants to be around.
     
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  24. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm atheist and I don't think that all Christians believe in hell, let alone wish me to suffer there for eternity.
     
  25. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I'd rather be right than to have people want to be around me.

    That is essentially defining "Good Christian" as being synonymous with "Non-Orthodox Christian". Mind you, that says NOTHING good about the belief system as a whole.