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[GEN] Sexual Harrassment and policies and procedures

Discussion in 'Communications' started by beezel26, Jul 25, 2004.

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  1. DarthSapient

    DarthSapient Jedi Youngling star 10

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    You can place things like that in your sig if you wish. As far as what we operate towards, it's basically the guiding principle of COPPA, which I added about a year or so ago to the TOS. It states the user must be at least 13 years of age. Obviously, we have no solid way of knowing a user's age for sure. So we have to go by what that user types or doesn't type in their bio, and what they type in threads and in PM's that confirm or deny their claim.
     
  2. DarthPhelps

    DarthPhelps Jedi Master star 5

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    Please, this thread is such a farce when you realise who started it.

    A thread that involves a 'beauty contest' of 18+ aged female users who consentually post pics is not equivalent to promoting sexual harassment.

    One may think of it as humorously ironic, but they are in no way related, nor does the theme of Beezel's 'Hottest' thread contradict his 'Harassment' thread.

    Thank you.
     
  3. Maulfly

    Maulfly Moderator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The issue at hand isn't so much if there is protection in place on these boards for those who are harassed.


    The issue is whether or not those that are allegedly victimized, knowing to go to an Admin or not, actually attempt to do anything to change the situation. It's the same if someone is being flamed and never calls a Mod. You can tell them how to take care of it until you're blue in the face, and some never actually do anything about it.

    As for the other thing...should the TFN also start a program of info for those that are suicidal? We've had those before, too...*the suicidal members, that is*

    It's not within the pervue of a SW board to do all of this. It's not set up for it, staff-wise nor liability-wise.
     
  4. Jedi_Satimber

    Jedi_Satimber Jedi Knight star 8

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    beezel26
    Registered: May 03
    Date Posted: 7/25 7:30pm Subject: RE: Sexual Harrassment and policies and procedures
    I hate to break it to you bob but most of the victims I dealt with didnt post their info online. They were chosen at random by the predator.


    And Comet I can tell by your age you dont know enough about the world we live in to make a judgement. I have seen what these guys can do. Ok.



    2 Things David...



    1) How do you think a female will take to a Male trying to empower himself to help protect them?

    In today's world of Women's Liberation, I would think that what you are doing might not be taken too kindly.

    It is admirable...don't get me wrong...but what gives you the right?



    2) What does one's age have to do with anything? Comet might be younger than you...but he most likely has had more gf's than you have had...which equals experience.

    Experience is a very powerful thing.
     
  5. HawkNC

    HawkNC Former RSA: Oceania star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Comet might be younger than you...but he most likely has had more gf's than you have had

    Come on, we're trying to have a serious conversation here. Comedy isn't allowed.
     
  6. malkieD2

    malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Beezel - while I'm sure you have good intentions you come across as patronising.

    The woman and the girls that come here must be protected.

    Yes, because they are delicate flowers who need the help of a strong man ! [/sarcasm]. Seriously, most of the women I've met here are very independent, and strong willed individuals. They don't need protection anymore than you or I. The JC does need a good system to deal with annoying users, which is already in place. Anyone who sends out mass PMs, or threatening and abusive PMs will be dealt with swiftly and severely.

    You can count on us to remove those who do not belong, and those who only come here to be abuse the facilties.

    Other than a few isolated incidents sexual harrassment is not a problem on the JC.

    In a recent thread on the JCC you posted :-

    I have seen to many woman victims of sexual predators to take this subject lying down.


    I felt the need to repost it because of the obvious comedy in that statement.
     
  7. Maulfly

    Maulfly Moderator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Basically, what Malkie just said.

    The main hitch in all of this working, though, is for those who feel someone is harassing them, be it sexually or otherwise, to actually start the process by reporting it to an Admin and then following through in cooperating enough to finish what they started.

    And that isn't something the MS can make policy on nor do for others when they need to be doing it for themselves.

    If you run across someone in this situation, all you can do is impress on them how important it is for them to actually do something about it rather than just letting it keep going. But, that probably assumes a lot about whatever the relationship is btwn the alleged victim and alleged perp...and that it's not a virtual he-said, she-said soap opera...seen those, too.
     
  8. droideka27

    droideka27 Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This whole thing basically boils down to this:

    Users need to feel that they should and can go to a moderator whenever they need help for any reason, and that that moderator will help them in whatever manner they can, either personally, or by directing them to someone who can better help them.

    And I really think that that is already conveyed to our users.
     
  9. Grand Admiral Strife

    Grand Admiral Strife RSA Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    so can we please lock this thread now?
    This is the second time in 5 months that we've had this discussion, both started by the same user, and the answer will never change: just follow the tos
     
  10. JOBOB_THE_HUTT

    JOBOB_THE_HUTT Jedi Knight star 5

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    What about a posted list of TFN sexual predators?
    Then, you could force all registered sex offenders to go around and introduce themselves to the posters in forums in which they regularly participate.
    Then again, maybe not.
     
  11. Maulfly

    Maulfly Moderator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Probably in part for the same reason they don't go posting who's been banned and for what reason in public.


    That and creating a "TFN sexual predators" list probably runs into problems with libel. All it would take it one or two of the wrong people placed on that list and then I'm sure someone would sue for defamation.

    As for forcing all "registered sex offenders" to introduce themselves...are you talking about actual, court convicted registered sex offenders? Problem with that is how do you know who is or isn't one? What about socks that are hard to trace? You'd probably fall into the same trap as the list.


    Basically, it falls down to people needing to be willing to help themselves and stand up to those that harass them. There's no way to make the internet, or even life, totally safe. It's a matter of knowing when something is happening that is wrong and what to do about it.
     
  12. Lukes_Lightsaber

    Lukes_Lightsaber Jedi Padawan star 4

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    A thread that involves a 'beauty contest' of 18+ aged female users who consentually post pics is not equivalent to promoting sexual harassment.

    Yes, but that's just creepy. I mean, if there's 18+ girls posting pics in a thread, they shouldn't be surprised that they get PMs from over eager JC users looking for dates.

     
  13. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with having a sexual harassment procedure here on the boards. The main issue is that everyone needs to realize that if a user feels they are being harassed, they should contact a mod immediately.

    I am pretty concerned that we do have people running around here soliciting young girls for cybersex and I do believe we should have some more education on the subject. However, we aren't babysitters. The girls here need to understand that if they decide to carry on 10 different "relationships" at the same time, don't be surprised when you get "solicited" time and again.

    In summary: Be responsible for your own behavior. Contact a mod if there's a problem. If we verify harassment has occurred, we'll take action.
     
  14. Grand Admiral Strife

    Grand Admiral Strife RSA Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Especially since the original post in that thread was not for a beauty contest, but rather a bachelor party because he wanted to celebrate a wedding announcement.
     
  15. Maulfly

    Maulfly Moderator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Heh...Bachelor and bachelorette parties...and can't say it was just for people to post their pics in since there already was a single picture thread open at the same time.


    No problem with the administration having a game plan in place. It's how they determine what to do in other cases, too. That and these guys (and probably gals, too) need to be stopped.

    But at the same time, I don't see the JC officially connecting itself to a sexual abuse program of any sort. And like you said, the JC isn't a day care. Nor can you prevent the consequences for people's own actions (such as "going out" with several different people at once and ending up with unwanted attention at some point). People have to be responsible for their own actions and for getting help for themselves from those that can actually assist them under the format that this board functions.
     
  16. Darth Dark Helmet

    Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    We also need to remember one crucial thing about women on the internet. Half of them are guys.

    ;)
     
  17. PatttyB0123

    PatttyB0123 Former RSA star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Problem with that is how do you know who is or isn't one? What about socks that are hard to trace? You'd probably fall into the same trap as the list.

    I agree with that. You just have to listen the signs from them. They normally fail with their posting style. I remember the sock problem we had long while ago in the JCC filled with many things.

    Hmm I thought that the thread for girls was a fun idea, because I placed my son's pic in there. Oops! I get off the topic.

    Still we do not know how many people who are not members observed the thread. We are in a public area.
     
  18. BobTheGoon

    BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I agree with that. You just have to listen the signs from them. They normally fail with their posting style. I remember the sock problem we had long while ago in the JCC filled with many things.

    What exactly are the "signs" a sex offender leaves behind on a Star Wars board? Hoof markings and fresh droppings?
     
  19. Jobo

    Jobo Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Ha ha ha.
    _jOBO
     
  20. beezel26

    beezel26 Jedi Master star 7

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    I will be assisting Katya Jade in any way I can.


    This discussion is over.


    I will leave you with these statistics if you dont believe there is a problem.


    Nationally, over 45 million children ages 10-17 use the Internet. Of these:

    One in four has encountered unwanted pornography.
    One in five has been sexually solicited.
    One in 17 was threatened or harassed in the past year.
    One in 33 received an aggressive sexual solicitation (were asked to meet someone in person, called on the phone, and/or sent correspondence or gifts) in the past year.
    Nearly 60 percent have received an e-mail or Instant Message from a stranger, and half responded to the stranger?s message
    40 percent of all abducted children ages 15-17 were abducted as a direct result of their Internet activity.



    Ladies and Gentlemen if you have any questions about this subject and want or need information please pm.

    ISafe

    if you dont know what it is ask me!
     
  21. malkieD2

    malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I will leave you with these statistics if you dont believe there is a problem.

    I'm afraid your statistics are nonsense.

    You've quoted the following as canon on several occasions now :-

    40 percent of all abducted children ages 15-17 were abducted as a direct result of their Internet activity

    This is entirely untrue. I believe you are quoting from this source.

    However, I've taken the time to read the source of information they are using. According to Highlights of the Youth Internet Safety Survey conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice "one in five children (10 to 17 years old) receive unwanted sexual solicitations online.". I totally agree that 1 in 5 is one too many, however there is no link between the internet and abductions.

    Here is the PDF file of the report, which clearly states that none of the solicitations led to actual sexual contact or assault.

    I'd just like you to be more careful when stating things as "fact".

    Thanks.

     
  22. BobTheGoon

    BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I will be assisting Katya Jade in any way I can.

    With what exactly?


    This discussion is over.

    You get to make that decision? "Unofrtunately the discussion is not over"

    I will leave you with these statistics if you dont believe there is a problem.


    Show me the statistics showing a problem on TheForce.net and then there will be cause for discussion. You have yet to make a case for why any changes or additions need to be made to existing policy, and you've been pretty subborn in refusing to address concerns and questions regarding your motivation and actions.
     
  23. Jedi_Satimber

    Jedi_Satimber Jedi Knight star 8

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    Show me the statistics showing a problem on TheForce.net and then there will be cause for discussion. You have yet to make a case for why any changes or additions need to be made to existing policy, and you've been pretty subborn in refusing to address concerns and questions regarding your motivation and actions.


    Why do we always have to run into this situation.


    Oh...and if the discussion is over...then you should have had the thread locked.


    Also...can you give the numbers for other age groups in your numbers?

    Can you give the sex of the victim too?
     
  24. Jobo

    Jobo Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This discussion is over.

    Good job, mate. Welcome to post 10.
    _jOBO
     
  25. Katya Jade

    Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Show me the statistics showing a problem on TheForce.net and then there will be cause for discussion.

    I think beezel's main concern is that there have been cases regarding sexual harassment on these boards. I don't think we have any statistics, but from some of the things I've seen, I do believe that it is a growing concern.

    Really, all we can do is put a procedure out, tell people how to get help if they need it and hope they will take the opportunity to step forward if there is an issue.
     
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