Discussion George Lucas and the Mystery of the Treatment

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth_Corvus, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    Jett Lucas looks like Marshal Mathers.
    JediGirl_Angelina likes this.
  2. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    Last edited by I Are The Internets, Oct 16, 2013
  3. AniSkylover Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 5, 2001
    star 2
    It's not the same interviewer, it's a different video
  4. EHT New Films Manager

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Sep 13, 2007
    star 6
    Got it. :D
  5. Ryus Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Feb 25, 2013
    star 4
    George Lucas has Mystery Treatment.

    Oh no, get well George. :p;)
    SkywalkerSquadron likes this.
  6. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    Thanks! It looked like I was having a schizophrenic conversation with myself.
    eht13 likes this.
  7. The-Eternal-Hero Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Nov 3, 2012
    star 4
    I just went over all the videos & major articles from last November & December and it gets pretty confusing between GL describing the outlines as having "all sorts of gaps" and Bob Iger calling them "extensive" and "detailed". Hopefully they'll be included on the Blu Rays or something.
    Darkslayer, FRAGWAGON and purplerain like this.
  8. Pro Scoundrel Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 4
    I've theorized before that Michael Arndt fleshed out George's treatments, and that is what was presented to Disney. That would gel with Deadline's report on Michael Arndt's 40-50 page treatment for the entire ST.
    Immortiss likes this.
  9. Mond Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 21, 2009
    star 3
    Thanks for this thread guys. I just now got interested in Star Wars again and I was wondering about the whole "story treatment" thing. So I guess this is going to be actual "Lucas story" Star Wars? Love George's stories, doubt if I'd be interested in a SW film if he didn't write the story for it.

    Great thread, though I'm a little depressed that even after a two-year absence, I still have to wade through repetitive Red Letter Media-related crap one here.

    Also I thought this was hilarious:

    I remember this started in maybe the 1990s, and now it's kind of like an epidemic. It's weird, even people who know absolutely nothing about Star Wars and don't even care about it will use it as a kind of shortcut to sophistication.
    my kind of scum, Veloz, Dasan and 4 others like this.
  10. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    I think Lucas had a general idea in mind that remained consistent. He wasn't necessarily making it up as he went along.
  11. FRAGWAGON Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Nov 3, 2012
    star 4
    Making it up as you go along used to be called Storytelling. Then they started scratching it onto rocks and leaves and things. It became known as "writing".
  12. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    I just wish Lucas would stop saying "that was the original idea all along."
    Captain Tom Coughlin likes this.
  13. The-Eternal-Hero Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Nov 3, 2012
    star 4
    Maybe it was . . .
    Darkslayer and FRAGWAGON like this.
  14. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    "It's all part of the plan..."
  15. Solent Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Aug 4, 2001
    star 2
    With all the treatment rewrites he seems to have done back before the 1st SW, the idea was probably there at some point.
  16. Jedi Comedian Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Oct 27, 2012
    star 2
    Yeah. I've seen people say things like "I think Lucas is just pulling this story out of thin air". Of course he is! That's what creating fiction is all about!
    purplerain, Darkslayer and FRAGWAGON like this.
  17. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    I wish I could pull stories out of thin air, but I guess I don't have the right wrist movements to do so.
    Darkslayer likes this.
  18. The-Eternal-Hero Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Nov 3, 2012
    star 4
    It takes dexterity. But it takes a super ninja to turn it into $4 + billion.
    Count Yubnub likes this.
  19. I Are The Internets Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Nov 20, 2012
    star 7
    The only thing that happens when I do it is painful cramps.
  20. Diggs Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Oct 31, 2012
    star 4

    I've always felt Iger was overplaying the depth of the George Lucas treatments for the sake of fans and investors. Having just spent 4 billion he was never going to say they'd bought George's unpolished, gap-filled outlines.
  21. Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn The Other Saga Moderator

    Manager
    Member Since:
    Sep 23, 1999
    star 6
    I'm not sure what any treatment could be. It could include:

    -Stuff (notes) from a pre-ESB (1977-1978) conception of the saga (though the only thing I can think of that was mentioned in regard to this was Luke's Sister, which got tied off when the Sister, the Other, and Leia were all merged together in ROTJ)

    -Stuff (notes) from the time (1979-?) when Lucas wanted the Sequels to talk about philosophy, passing on what you have learned, and the post-Imperial galaxy

    -Random stacks of notes for things that never got used in the other movies, which could be combined into something usable by Lucas or someone else

    -New ideas or notes that are more recent, created specifically for the new projects

    -Some combination of the above

    There are so many different versions of plans Lucas had, it could really be anything. But no matter what the numbers of movies, I think he probably had some consistent ideas - the prequels certainly did. And even though the ideas for the PT were far more well-developed than were any ST ideas during the making of the OT, I think Lucas probably did have some ideas for what could happen, what he'd like to see. They were just probably very vague.
    Last edited by Lt.Cmdr.Thrawn, Oct 26, 2013
    Trebor Sabreon and markdeez33 like this.
  22. Darth_Magus Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Apr 25, 2002
    star 2
    I see a few people are under the impression that George pretty much created the entire mythos himself, which is not strictly true. After his car accident he then became interested in the works of Joseph Campbell and his work on the mono myth, comparative religions, and of course, the Hero's journey, all which fed quite deeply at times into the OT. Now considering he has already said in the past how the third trilogy would explore the more philosophical implications between the Jedi and Sith training and perceptions, I can't help but wonder how the underlying mythology of our World will play into this. I also find it more then interesting that the sequel trilogy is about passing on what you have learned and lo and behold Star Wars has been passed on to someone else.
  23. newdawn12 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Feb 9, 2013
    star 4
  24. Darth PJ Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 31, 2013
    star 4
    Well it's relative I suppose... one persons 'unpolished' is another persons 'refined'... but given Lucas' personality I would imagine his treatments where fairly detailed - gaps and all. :)
  25. Darth Chiznuk PT Trivia Master / Game Host

    Game Host
    Member Since:
    Oct 31, 2012
    star 5
    It's pretty common knowledge that GL has had outlines for the sequels since the 80's since Dale Pollock saw them and said they were detailed enough to have characters and new worlds and action scenes described. I believe he also said that there were 12 episodes and that Episodes 7, 8, 9 dealt with Luke in his 30s/40s so Arndt's work on them could have been condensing these six stories into the ST and updating them for the new timeline with Luke in his 60s.
    Last edited by Darth Chiznuk, Nov 17, 2013
    Immortiss likes this.