ST George Lucas and the Mystery of the Treatment

When George Lucas said that Han Solo's child was to marry a Gungan is when Disney says F U

 

It's from the leaked summary of the second Abrams/Kasdan draft that was posted by a user named Mizzlewump back in early 2014. That was where the very first claims came that one of the new trio leads would be a Stormtrooper, the new villain base would be a "Death Star planet," han would be retired from the military and luke would be missing and still be known all these years later as "the last jedi."

There were a few major differences from the final film tho, with the whole "Luke saves the day in the end but in a bad way" thing being one of them. Not saying that particular plot point came from lucas, but it fits with the whole theme of "good and evil in us all" that I think lucas was interested in exploring.

 

What I remember Arndt saying was that Luke was supposed to appear much more earlier in the story but then they decided to put him at the end because he was outshining Rey or something.
Mizzlewhump also said that two of the lead characters were Han and Leia's daughter and Lando's child so they probably got a few things right and fabricated some stories of their own.

 

The gray area duality might be something that they decided would serve the story better as a development in the second movie. I would've liked to see some of that stuff in TFA, absolutely, and they could easily have included a few significant nods in that direction without going to deep, but I suspect that EpVIII will provide a lot of moral ambiguity.

 

Yeah, it makes sense to have it in a middle of a trilogy, too bad the government is gone, it could have made things more interesting to see how it functions compared to the republic of the PT.

 

Hm, that just got me thinking: What if they wiped the slate clean to let us witness the rebuilding of democracy from the ground up?

 

I'd pay good hard cash to read Lucas' script. I'd like to think that some his ideas influenced the new trilogy. My initial concern with Disney is that they would be concerned only from movie to movie. I like an overall plot and ideas that are carried over over the course of a long story and it is what i want most from the new star wars. There were plenty of signs in TFA that they were thinking of the bigger picture and they couldn't have chosen a better director than JJ for leaving unanswered questions which is exactly what you want going after the first act of a trilogy.

 

It wasn't really a script, more like a treatment but they said he already worked on it before the sale.

 

Sure, but I'm 100% certain he would have made major changes if he was producing it. Unfortunately, they didn't even keep him as a creative consultant. So, we'll probably never know what were his exact plans for a ST.

 

As long as someone else wrote the dialogue!

I've always said that the stories, EVEN the PT stories were fine and with the proper dialogue and scripting (as well as getting the right takes on the scenes) they would be AWESOME.

 

Like TCW? Oh my, that series has some of the best storylines of the starwars universe. More Jar Jar/Mace Windu team-up please? And politics with Padme and her fellow senators. And C-3PO/R2 adventures but that's without saying. I miss the scope of the stories. Now it's all in the dark times era. Too bad for the Live action series, we could have everything!

 

The good thing is is that everyone involved has said that the entire ST is already mapped out. Even the PT wasn't constructed like that (and we all know the OT certainly wasn't).

 

Not the focus of this thread, but just want to point out that the PT was constructed like that. Lucas was making decisions about TPM that he knew would have direct relevance in AOTC and ROTS. It was constructed with a lot of forethought. Part of the reason the two early PT films were controversially received is because some of their major plot points pay off in ROTS, which hadn't been released yet for several years. So, having read the Making Of books and most material related to the PT, I can attest that the PT was pretty clearly mapped out ahead of time. Some little details changed as they went, but Lucas did construct the bulk of it ahead of time.

 

Well, i agree. My concern was that Disney would simply go from film to film. Like others have said though, it doesn't appear to be the case.

 

It's important to remember, too, that Lucasfilm are the ones making these movies, under Kathleen Kennedy's supervision. Disney can and will veto anything they don't like, but negotiations will always follow and I'd bet you anything that KK is very conscious of the need for an overarching vision and will do everything in her might to ensure that there's a satisfying progression in the story.
George chose Kathleen as his successor because he trusts her. She may have agreed to deviate from some of his ideas, which ultimately led to him distancing himself from the project, but I think she can still be trusted to hold this thing together and pull off something really great. She knows how to do this job, that's why she got it.
Simply put, KK is the new GL.

 

I kinda remmeber Mizzlewump saying that they put a false plot point in their leak on purpose in case others who wanted to pretend to be insiders tried to back that up, and then they could call them out on it. With that being said, however, it is possible that Kira/Thea/rey could've been envisioned as a Solo or one of the other leads as a child of Lando at least at some point in the development (I'll admit tho that the concept art book seems to suggest otherwise).

 

It's not they they didn't "keep" him, rather GL himself decided he was happier not involved because of his self-admitted tendency to be a micromanager, a role he couldn't really take on without stepping over the line anymore

(Though given his son Jett's statements about him keeping in contact with JJ even after the period of time he left, it's clear he still had some input during production, however minor)

 

Why is that automatically unfortunate? For all you know, you might have hated his ideas more than JJ's.

 

Honestly, my sense is that they're going in a direction that honours Lucas' legacy better than he could at this point. I doubt it was ever his intent to have the sole heir to Anakin's bloodline be a dark sider, for example, but I think that's exactly the direction they're going in.

 

Because I was mainly curious about HIS vision of what happened after RotJ instead of another EU version even if I'm sure SOME of his ideas ended up in the final product. Sure, I would probably have hated some of his ideas i.e. Maul's resurrection in TCW, I wouldn't even be surprised if he was present in the ST, but I know I wouldn't complain so much about the technical/creative stuff. Apart of that misstep, TCW proved he can do collaboration even if he was the ultimate decision-maker and I know it was his decision to leave, still, what a shame.

 

Well there is Luke and Leia, so Kylo's not the sole heir, if that's the direction they've decided. To truly honor Lucas's legacy would require the thoughtful consideration of his entire body of work. I'm hopeful Rian pushes forward both in design and narrative and creates something truly remarkable. Although STAR WARS is now written by committee and seems to conform to the broadest desires of fandom, which might conceivably deliver a film of a certain quality, but it may not be as impressive or original as a singular, individual vision. Lucas was never going to do it, so we get the next thing. It would be gratifying, though, if the new stewards would incorporate some of the broadest outlines of what may be perceived as the artist's intent. Is that happening? Perhaps, from a certain point of view.

 

I do think that each SW film from now on (at least until Episode 9) will have its own “voice”. The directors they have chosen for each film are so different to one another; the films will all feel slightly “different” by default. Rian Johnson is nothing like JJ Abrams, who is nothing like Gareth Edwards, who is 100% different to Lord and Miller. So all the SW films somehow looking the same or feeling like they’re just something that was pulled off a conveyor belt is not something I am worried about. At least not for the next four films. This is something that Lucas envisioned back in the late seventies. I think that Episode 8, as it is also being written by the director of the film, will definitely have an individual vision feel to it.

 

What ideas? Where is the evidence for such?

Lucas knows more about psychology, Lore, Cambell etc than JJ does. Always goes into great detail of many forms.

Emotion> V.s <Reason are not exclusive to each other..

JJ's ideas provided emotion.

 

Honoring.....

They are honoring his franchise more than he did, than yes. Not Lucas himself..