Get off Lucas' back!!!

Discussion in 'Attack of the Clones' started by DarthWolfie, Jul 7, 2002.

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  1. Darth Jamus Jedi Padawan

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    What really bothers me is how some people don't stop with bashing George on his directing and such, but actually bash his character and make all sorts of derogatory remarks about his state of mind and how he has completely lost it. Did anyone watch the Biography about GL? He seems to be a really decent, good person who loves his family and his fans. I find it disturbing for some people to attack him in this way. It was really, really bad during TPM days. I was practically ashamed to be called a Star Wars fan because of how so many fans acted. It was ridiculous and definitely something I will never forget!
  2. Imperial_Guard Jedi Padawan

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    I agree completely. Expressing opinions about his work and his comments that relate to his work is one thing, personal attacks on his character are quite another. If he wasn't such a nice guy (assuming from interviews and such), he probably would have told some people to [censored] off on camera by now.
  3. Duckman Jedi Padawan

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    "im glad AOTC and TPM are "good enough" for you. sorry to break it to ya but they are not "good enough" for everyone."

    Has there ever been film that was good enough for everyone? My memory not so good.
  4. Durwood Jedi Master

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    About the "good enough" comment, working in the world of television production, I can fully sympathize with that mindset. When you have to get a product done and the clock is ticking and the budget is being depleted, there are those occassions where you have to say "It's good enough" and move on. Or as I tell people, "We'll give the viewers two points if they notice."

    There's a very simple formula for making the perfect movie: Infinite time + Infinite resources = The perfect movie. Given that neither time nor resources are infinite, I think Lucas is doing pretty damn good.
  5. AL Jedi Grand Master

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    There are films which are perfect. The infinite time/reources thing is bullcrap.
  6. TokyoXtreme Jedi Master

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    Infinite time + Infinite resources = The perfect movie.

    And how much time and resources did Lucas have for The Phantom Menace, which many people regard as dramatically lower in quality than the original Star Wars (ANH)?

    I tend to believe that limited resources and budget make for better, more heartfelt films. I think the 1980 "teen" film "My Bodyguard" was much more impressive than AOTC. From the IMDb:


    "It's one of the last of a series of excellent low-key, naturalistic films of the 70's, that specialize in fascinating characterizations."


    After I read this review, I thought that Star Wars and Empire were two good examples of the low-key, naturalistic films of the 70's (even if they were set in space).
  7. Qui Gon Binks Jedi Youngling

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    Star Wars and Empire low-key naturalistic films?

    BS
  8. Durwood Jedi Master

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    There are films which are perfect.

    Oh yeah? Show me a film you feel is "perfect" and I will find dozens of others who think it's crap. There is no one film that is perfect for everybody. That's the bullcrap, my friend!

    And A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back are good examples of "low key naturalistic" films? That statement is so devoid of logic that I hardly know how to answer it!
  9. AL Jedi Grand Master

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    Perfect films (People who believe they are not are neither film fans nor in posession of a brain)

    The Godfather
    The Godfather: Part II
    Citizen Kane
    Fargo
    It'a Wonderful Life
    Casablanca
    Seven Samurai
    Jules et Jim
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    North By Northwest
    Rear Window
    Pulp Fiction
    Lawrence of Arabia
    Sunset Boulevard
    Raging Bull
    Some Like It Hot
    The Apartment
    Conversation
    The Third Man
    Touch of Evil
    The Seventh Seal
    The Maltese Falcon
    Chinatown
    Singin' in the Rain
    The Manchurian Candidate(R.I.P. - John Frankenheimer)
    Bicycle Thieves
    On The Waterfront
    All The President's Men
    Gunga Din
    Annie Hall
    Manhattan
    When Harry Met Sally
    Jaws
    High Noon

    Shall I go on?

  10. TokyoXtreme Jedi Master

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    Moments of OT low-key naturalism:

    Luke and Ben talking about the force.

    Luke's scene with Yoda on Dagobah before realizing that Yoda is the Jedi master.

    Most of Luke's scenes with his aunt and uncle.


    I believe it is customary for naturalist films to take themselves seriously, while not being self-aware. That's how I look at it. But of course my opinions are BS, just like the PT as a whole.
  11. guittarjedi Jedi Master

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    ANH,ESB,and ROTJ are the last of BRILLIANT films in the style of the 70's.-PS "MY Bodygaurd" was a good movie.
  12. Duckman Jedi Padawan

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    The Godfather - yeah, it's pretty good
    The Godfather: Part II - almost as good as the first!
    Citizen Kane - BOOOOORING!
    Fargo - good
    It'a Wonderful Life - schmaltzy
    Casablanca - cliched
    Seven Samurai - never seen it
    Jules et Jim - never seen it
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - very good
    North By Northwest - watched the bit with the plane
    Rear Window - I prefer The Simpsons remake
    Pulp Fiction - mostly good, but some parts awful. Tarantino's acting and use of the "n" word is lame.
    Lawrence of Arabia - too long
    Sunset Boulevard - never seen it.
    Raging Bull - boxing is boring.
    Some Like It Hot - Marilyn Monroe was hot.
    The Apartment - never seen it.
    Conversation - Coppola's film? Good, but overrated.
    The Third Man - never seen it.
    Touch of Evil - seen the opening credits. All one shot and everything. Clever lad.
    The Seventh Seal - he was in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, ya know? "Let's play Twister - best two out of three"
    The Maltese Falcon - never seen it.
    Chinatown - good, but no Taxi Driver.
    Singin' in the Rain - never seen the whole film. Just looked like lots of singing . . . and rain.
    The Manchurian Candidate(R.I.P. - John Frankenheimer) - yes, that was sad.
    Bicycle Thieves - prefer Pee-wee's Big Adventure.
    On The Waterfront - never seen it.
    All The President's Men - Nixon was framed!
    Gunga Din - never seen it.
    Annie Hall - good, but no Star Wars.
    Manhattan - never seen it.
    When Harry Met Sally - good Woodsy Allen rip-off.
    Jaws - brilliant, best film on your list! But the rubber shark has to go.
    High Noon - okay.

    Nope, no perfect films there :)
  13. Jedi-Hosinsul Jedi Youngling

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    People have every right to "bash" or "gush" over AOTC (or any other movie). The problem arises when they start to make their opinion known by attacking GL and other personally. If you liked or disliked the movie and say that anyone disagrees with you is a moron then you are no longer making a real argument. Remember that (Bresson said this on another post) movies/art are subjective things and the reasons that one person may love it is the reasons another hates it. You may say you did not like it because of bad acting while another says they thought it had good acting. Both are right and arguing will not change it. The thing I don't like the most is when a person will say that "everyone" or "most" or "many" did not/did like as part of their argument. You can only speak for yourself and not everyone else.
  14. AL Jedi Grand Master

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    Oh Duckman, stop watching films my friend. Invest some time in porn or something. Film is not for you I understand, following your comments.

    This is the same argument regarding the Sistine Chapel or the Mona Lisa. They are perfect. They have flaws but they are more and better than the sum of all their parts and that is what makes them perfect and that is what makes those films perfect.

    Besides, anyone who thinks Kane boring and likes AOTC is a lost cause anyway.
  15. Jedi-Hosinsul Jedi Youngling

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    The Ad Hominem attack is also wrong because instead of discussing the points being made in a logical and mature manner people start to attack the person themselves and not the argument. The beauty of this is that the immature poster destroys their entire argument because they are now attacking the person and not the debate which means they have nothing else to offer in defense of their ideas. Both bashers and gushers do this.
  16. TokyoXtreme Jedi Master

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    Duckman:

    Lawrence of Arabia - too long

    LOL. I recall Ebert saying "No good movie is too long and no bad movie is too short".

    guittarjedi

    ANH,ESB,and ROTJ are the last of BRILLIANT films in the style of the 70's.-PS "MY Bodygaurd" was a good movie.

    I completely agree with both statements. When I saw My Bodyguard for the first time recently, I kept thinking about how much it reminded me of Star Wars... probably because both movies seemed so blissfully naive of their own existence. They exist only to tell a story. One of my chief complaints with the PT is how completely self-aware the two films are. Aside from the third act of ROTJ, I never really had the feeling that the OT was shouting "look how cool I am, I'm a Star Wars movie". The movies just were what they were, with no apologies. The OT's "low-keyness" is in my opinion, their biggest strength. My, what a wake-up call that two-headed race announcer was.

    I would be incredibly happy if that "70's style of naturalist film" returned. If I were to make films, those are the only kind of films I would ever make. I would do this just so I could retort "at least my films have heart."

    P.S. I consider "Tron" to be one of those great 70's naturalist films, even if it was made in 1982. "Now that's a big door" indeed.
  17. Qui Gon Binks Jedi Youngling

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    3 scenes make a movie low-key and naturalistic? Whatever.

    I fell in love with these movies when I was a kid. If they had been low-key and naturalistic I would've been bored to death my friend.
  18. guittarjedi Jedi Master

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    Hey Duckman,if none of those movies are perfect why don't you name a movie that you think IS perfect?
  19. guittarjedi Jedi Master

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    Yeah TokyoExtreme,your right about the PT being too self aware.Before TPM came out I worried that Lucas might abandon his original style and follow the nauseating trend of campiness in sci-fi movies like Men in Black. With Jar Jar Binks and the announcer in TPM and the droid factory scene in AOTC my fears became reality.
  20. Oakessteve Manager Emeritus

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    I'll get off George's back when he makes a good film again. Oh wait. He did. Hurrah!
  21. DarthHomer Jedi Grand Master

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    Sorry AL, I have to agree with Duckman about Citizen Kane. I'll take bounty hunters, high-speed air chases, lightsaber duels, clone armies and Yoda kicking butt over some rich old geezer missing his childhood sled anyday :)
    But I did enjoy most of those films on your list, so you're not too far off.
  22. DrEvazan Jedi Youngling

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    "Yeah TokyoExtreme,your right about the PT being too self aware.Before TPM came out I worried that Lucas might abandon his original style and follow the nauseating trend of campiness in sci-fi movies like Men in Black. With Jar Jar Binks and the announcer in TPM and the droid factory scene in AOTC my fears became reality."

    amen. most people argue with that saying "lucas has always had humor in his films" and "there has always been anachronistic stuff in the saga"

    they dont see the difference in the sophistication of the humor or the laziness of the completely out of place sportscaster, or the diner or the other things that have lead to the dumbing down and cheapening of the star wars saga.

    im beside myself. what a drag.
  23. JediHPDrummer Jedi Youngling

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    why do you bashers hang out here. You guys gave no life at all. Sitting in a star wars message board bashing it. I dont go to spider man boards and start bashing the movie. I dont go to a scream forum and bash that movie. What is wrong with you guys, you guys just like to make people feel bad. I understand you are entitled to your opinion but im still confused on why you are in this forum if you dont like this movie. get out of here. Go to the sun, go get a life. 4 years of you rlife you have been complaining abou these films. I dont know how you manage to. If you like the old trilogy then theres an old trilogy forum for you. Now i dont care what any of you guys say, you guys are hte minority about AOTC. Every person i know liked it or loved it. Get a life
  24. SWfan2002 Jedi Master

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    Dr. Evazan is actually Gary Kurtz, so I can understand why he feels sour about the prequels. I mean, GL fired Gary because he didn't do his job and ESB went over budget, and now SW is still successful without him. He's got plenty of time to hang out on these boards and complain because he hadn't had a producing job in years, if not decades.
  25. DrEvazan Jedi Youngling

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    why come to a board just to say "that was cool" and "that was great".

    i thought this was a discussion board.

    i hardly think it would serve much purpose if all it had were people discussing how great AOTC is.

    i can see it now...

    "i give AOTC a 10 and think its great and everything im in it the best thing i have ever seen"

    "yes its totally the best! i give it a 20 out of 10! you only said it was great but its better than that!"

    "you guys got it all wrong. its the best movie ever and no one else should ever make movies again because whats the point?"

    if it werent for people who didnt like the film, you would probably have had at least 20 more minutes of jar jar in AOTC... george is listening... well sorta.
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