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Amph "Go then, there are other worlds than these." The Dark Tower series discussion;

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jedi_Master_Anakin, Sep 3, 2003.

  1. Drew_Atreides

    Drew_Atreides Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Favourite Dark Tower book: "The Wastelands".. The book possesses one of the best cliffhanger endings i think i've ever read..Really love the character of Blaine..

    Least favourite book: "Wizard and Glass": I want to throttle Susan Delgado..She is just SOOOOO dull and whiny, and the romance between Roland and she just TO cliche.. It has literally taken me 2 years to get thru this book (and, to be honest, i'm STILL only 3/4 of the way thru)..Just painfully dull, though it is redeemed by Cuthbert and Alain (they sure deserved some bigger parts!)

     
  2. Calli

    Calli Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, King has really bult up the Jake/Roland relationship.

    Everything about their relationship would then be for nothing, if Roland's real son came into play.

    Now I'm playing devil's advocate here, since we're talking about Pat, but Susannah is pregnant, what if Pat's her and Eddie's son? Like I said, I'm playing devil's advocate here.

    I'm not saying I believe that or that could anyway be possible.

    Drew, keep trudging thru. If memory serves the showdown w/ Roland and Co. vs. The Big Coffin Hunters is real good. I'm re-reading Wizards and Glass and its almost Reap Day at where I'm at.
     
  3. Darth Dark Helmet

    Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I odn't know, I think Sussanah and Eddie's kid is going to turn out very badly. I still don't think its even Eddie's, or at least not completely his. The demon in the place where they brought Jake through screwed something up there.
     
  4. RubberDuckyfromSpace

    RubberDuckyfromSpace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ah, it's nice to see someone else who hates Susan with the same passion that I do (so that makes three people that I know of).
     
  5. DVader316

    DVader316 Jedi Knight star 7

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    Ahh, good call, DDH. Id forgotten all about that demon from The Waste Lands...
     
  6. RubberDuckyfromSpace

    RubberDuckyfromSpace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, there is the chance that the demon was a red herring.
     
  7. Jedi_Master_Anakin

    Jedi_Master_Anakin Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, but Roland said that it only might be the demon, not definetely. So it could be a normal child.

    Now, I may not dislike Susan Delgado that much. But I will say she isn't my favorite character. However I do think she served her purpose well in the book. I think it was rather neccesary for some one that a character like Roland, to fall in love with some one who isn't as characterized as himself. But that's just me.

    Another quick question. Who here has read Browning's "Childe Roland to the Dark Tower came"? I read it again recently, and I just realized again how much of The Dark Tower comes from there. It's really cool. Anyway,...

    Peace and Unity

    JMA
     
  8. RubberDuckyfromSpace

    RubberDuckyfromSpace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    No, I can't say as I've read Browning's poem, though I am moderately interested, I guess I'm just not interested enough to actually go out there and try to read it.

    As for Susan, I do think a love story really works if one of the lovers is less characterized than the other. I mean, to me Susan and Roland didn't come off as being in love, but as ****buddies. Susan may as well have been Roland's left hand.
     
  9. Darth Dark Helmet

    Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    But, I think at 14, that feeling can be very much confused with love, especially when you've had as minimal romantic contact with woman as Roland has had before and since.

    I've read the poem, its been awhile, but I have. Its a pretty interesting read, and you can see a lot of the influence its had ont he saga.
     
  10. RubberDuckyfromSpace

    RubberDuckyfromSpace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Even if that is the case, King still could have given Susan a personality, I mean, even the donkey had a personality.

    And it's probably unfair of me to hate Susan, it's not her fault she was poorly written.

    But I hate her anyway! Muahahahahahahahahaha!
     
  11. Drew_Atreides

    Drew_Atreides Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    ..naw, i truly believe that if any one literary character could affect their own level of sucktitude, it would be Susan Delgado :p

    "Roland! I love thee!"

     
  12. DVader316

    DVader316 Jedi Knight star 7

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    Heh, I couldnt stand the way Susan and the people in her village talked.
     
  13. Calli

    Calli Jedi Master star 4

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    I guess I'm the only person who didn't mind Susan.

    I mean, most teenage girls are annoying. I'll tell you I was annoying when I was her age. I think King's characterization of that age was dead-on. But thats just me.
     
  14. RubberDuckyfromSpace

    RubberDuckyfromSpace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    But King didn't characterize her. She may as well have been a cardboard cut-out, this is what I've been trying to say. Not only is she not a character, she may even be an anti-character, making all characters around her less interesting.
     
  15. wild_karrde

    wild_karrde Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Going to be starting the series once I finish re-reading The Stand :)
     
  16. Drew_Atreides

    Drew_Atreides Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    ...yeah, i would concur..
    Susan was definitely a black hole of suck, sucking all of those characters around her down in every scene she appeared in.. :p

    I sure hope Roland's able to reach escape velocity before he reaches Susan's event horizon..
     
  17. Darth Dark Helmet

    Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I guess I'm the only person who didn't mind Susan.

    No you're not, I have no real problem with her either.
     
  18. RubberDuckyfromSpace

    RubberDuckyfromSpace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    And moving to the 3-D model, we can even see Susan's cone of vapidity.
     
  19. DVader316

    DVader316 Jedi Knight star 7

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    I didnt hate her but I wasnt exactly in love with her. To me she was simply the catalyst for Roland's solitary existence, nothing more.
     
  20. Calli

    Calli Jedi Master star 4

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    No you're not, I have no real problem with her either.

    Good, I was starting to feel out numbered here. *grins*

    I'm not going to try and get anyone to like her. She was needed in the story, granted it was just to show another side of Roland's tragic tale.

    I hope we find out what exactly happens to Alain and Cuthburt. I remember reading in 1 of the books Burt dies with a smile or grin on his face.

     
  21. RubberDuckyfromSpace

    RubberDuckyfromSpace Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah, I'm guessing we Susan haters are a small but vociferously obstreperous minority.
     
  22. DVader316

    DVader316 Jedi Knight star 7

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    Well, at least you didnt have to put up with her for more than one book, right ? ;)
     
  23. Darth Dark Helmet

    Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Actually, I heard book six's title is being changed to "Susan sings the Song of Susan, by Susan."
     
  24. Drew_Atreides

    Drew_Atreides Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    *drops an anvil on Dark Helmet*

    Haha.. HILARIOUS :p (i won't sleep for a week, now)
     
  25. ProfessorNutbudder

    ProfessorNutbudder Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    lol Darth Dark Helmet.