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JCC God Exists.

Discussion in 'Community' started by Rogue_Ten, Jun 3, 2013.

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God Exists.

  1. yes

    40.5%
  2. no

    31.7%
  3. nnnnnNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    17.5%
  4. dunno

    27.8%
  5. no curr

    4.0%
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  1. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    What sort of retort is that? Obviously these sorts of productions exist on both sides of pretty much every debate. They serve too convenient and gratifying a function not to.

    But, being aware of its flaws, I wouldn't ever describe Answers in Genesis as "Not a bad site." Which seems to be a point of distinction between myself and the evaluation of atheist websites by people in this thread.
     
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  2. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    The philosophy 101 term is Tu Quoque. But ultimately I totally disagree with what is implied in your response, that there is "good apologetics" and "bad apologetics"

    What are its flaws, pray tell?
     
  3. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    for all his faults, wocky is not a biblical literalist
     
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  4. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I see the site as a teaser to the topic with a fine list of sources for further reading. Reading stuff on the Internet tends to take people around in endless circles. See for example this thread. Getting one's head out of the ass of the www and reading a good book every once in a while, maybe even something critical of The Good Book, is a great idea. And to me that's the main point of the site.

    Just for example "The Text of the New Testament, its Transmission, Corruption and Restoration." This is just a really fascinating read, not at all the kind of thing that atheists read simply to pat themselves on the back (or maybe if they do, they'll be disappointed, but then will read the book anyway and then be glad they did. Not speaking from experience here or anything).
     
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  5. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    You're being critical online of someone who's critical online of online Bible criticism.
    That's not just going around in circles, that's circling the drain.
    But I'll join!
     
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  6. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    This right here is exactly why I for one don't attempt to persuade anybody to believe in God. Moreover, my spiritual well-being depends exactly three-fifths of dash it all on whether or not LoH (for example) believes what I believe.

    In fact, my religion teaches me that the opposite is true, namely that the extent to which I concern myself with others' spiritual (or whatever you wanna call it) state is time wasted that should've been spent working on my own.
     
  7. Saintheart

    Saintheart Jedi Grand Master star 6

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  8. timmoishere

    timmoishere Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    It's great that you feel that way, Merkurian. It really is. Unfortunately, you are a very small minority. Every day someone is harmed or bullied or has had their rights taken away by religion. And that is why I will never be silent about my atheism, and I will never cease to challenge the beliefs of those whose religion is poisoning the world.
     
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  9. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As Merk said he feels that way in part because it's built into his religion. One of the more endearing aspects of the Bahá'í Faith is that it's not organized around a desperate need to evangelize. They don't discourage anyone from inquiring of course and are open to educating outsiders, but it's very much about tending one's own garden. They are hopeless romantics about the spiritual potential of absolutely everyone.
     
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  10. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Naysayer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I can respect that [face_coffee] Just have a care that you don't become what you're fighting against [face_peace]


    PS- Once upon a time, Christianity and Islam were very small minorities, too. Just sayin' ;)
     
  11. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Jedi Master star 5

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  12. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Rogue Ten, what are you saying?

    That is in fact what I am.
     
  13. harpua

    harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Wocky, why is Tom your enemy?
     
  14. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Go look in the Game of Thrones thread. He is terrible and cruel.
     
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  15. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    only in the sense that anyone who believes in the bible probably considers themselves a literalist. i only mean you dont think the earth was created 6000 years ago and dinosaurs were created at the same time as humans. you're not going on alternative guided tours of the grand canyon talkin' bout how the grand canyon was created not over hojillions of years but by the "receding waters" from noah's flood (what?)
     
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  16. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    "yo! yoyoyo, its coo. we'll put everything in my boat" ~noah, the bible
     
  17. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    thank you for sharing this. so the goo goo dolls are members of the forces of good? does that mean the City of Angels movie that song was written for is also a piece of the puzzle? ive always thought andre braugher might actually be an angelic being. its the only way to explain his otherworldly acting ability

    is this kind of like the night watch book/movie series? that's the vibe im getting so far
     
  18. Blue_Jedi33

    Blue_Jedi33 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Rogue_Ten

    Well if you know the bible you know that Angels gave up forever to be with women just before the flood which made them escape back to heaven.
    Some of these beings might have not been absolutely evil but wanted to romance females and have children of there own.
    This desire when acted on, rejected God's purpose for them and they became demons from his perspective.
    It was a sin they could not recover from even if they wanted too. And so a degradation of their mental state began, being be cut off from God.
    Where do you think some elements of Greek mythology comes from ?
     
  19. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    Blue_Jedi33 so is sarah mclachlan an angel? im confused
     
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  20. EvilQ

    EvilQ Jedi Knight star 1

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    You know, there was a time when I had all sorts of spiritual conspiracy theories that were very similar to yours and I was utterly convinced that they were all so real. I even managed to weave my limited scientific knowledge into them, which made them even more believable, at least to myself.


    And then I stopped doing drugs. True story.
     
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  21. EvilQ

    EvilQ Jedi Knight star 1

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    Waitaminute.

    Not sure if trolling.
     
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  22. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    And Rogue Ten was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
     
  23. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    he's being obtuse. he's really not a biblical literalist as you, I, or the fine folks at answers in genesis would define it
     
  24. Emperor_Billy_Bob

    Emperor_Billy_Bob Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    I kind of think he is. From what I understand (and you realize I die inside a little as I type this) Wocky is some kind of presuppositionalist who believes that the Bible is literally and completely true, and that science is only apparently correct because God made the universe to look that way. I mean...yeah.

    It is actually even more grating than just straight up Young Earth Creationism.
     
  25. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    there needs to be a series of biblical summer action blockbusters, beginning with noah's flood and ending with the second coming. that would be dope as ****

    NOAH backwards roundhouse kicks HAM off the bow of the ark: Get off my boat!

    HAM falls wailing into a whirlpool as the ark careens down the grand canyon, resembling the most epic log-flume ride ever: NOOOoooOOooo

    SHEM, on the back of a RHINO charging the lead EVIL DRAGON of HAM's menagerie of evil animals: WAAAAHH-HOOO!

    JAPETETH cradles his dying wife, whom he has just avenged by killing in single combat the EVIL UNICORN that had earlier gored her
     
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