Discussion in 'Community' started by Rogue_Ten, Jun 3, 2013.
That's not an answer to Lowbacca's question.
Whatever North Korea is, it is not Marxist or Communist. It is rather the world's purest example of...I don't even know what to call it besides Oligarchical Collectivism.
Anyone know if these are, genuine, and not say "German National Church" circa 1936 style churches?
I know that the Patriarch(s) of Moscow/Kiev/The Russian Orthodox Church during the 'Red' year were supposedly 'tainted' by close dealings/association with the Kremlin.
You only think/hope that the elected official requirement is 'Christian'...*cough*Masonic Temple*cough*.
Seriously? Masonic stuff now?
They appear no more, or less, genuine than any other churches
Still waiting for that example of a country that dictates religion yet is also tolerant of religion at the same time.
I think you need to look up the difference between de facto and de jure, TOTEMPOLE.
Yes, I'll allow that the socio-economic theories of Lenin, Stalin, and co. overrode or superseded their atheism. On the flip-side, I agree that Hitler's confessional* Catholicism (he was baptized AND the Church never rescinded his baptism) had no influence on the atrocities committed by his regime.
*in his writings, he was more 'Hollow-Earth'-Occultist/Neo-Pagan while Alfred Rosenberg was just faux-Teutonic Neo-Pagan.
So then this:
means the last 5 pages was unnecessary, right?
Did this thread really dive into discussions of "communism" and "atheist relative to Zeus," respectively? Do you just want me to hate you all? Must we wallow in the most supreme stupidity? Die you thread.
Shut up wocky you're ruining my victory parade.
Any victory here is only Pyyrhic, Lord of Vivec.
I thought the smileys made it clear that it wasn't serious.
You'll be waiting awhile, because what I actually said in post #975 was:
quote: But think about it: what happens when people who are atheists - believe there is no god - dictate state policy? "We're atheists, BUT we'll tolerate religion!!" ???? Is it coincidence that THAT scenario has never manifested itself?
Iow, I didn't say anything about the existence of countries that 'dictate religion' yet being also tolerant of religion. Although, the commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania during the Sixteenth and Seventeenth centuries comes close: 'officially' R. Catholic, but tolerated Orthodox, 'Greek' or Uniate Catholics, Lutherans, Reformed/Calvinist, and yes, even Unitarians/non-Trinitarians, and Jews. When I say tolerate, I mean enshrined said toleration in it's constitution, and not just the fact that many of it's nobles were of diverse faiths/sects.
Vivec, no more atomized posts. Otherwise, you might as well be posting to yourself, if your going to ignore half of what I say.
It seemed as serious as most of the other things you've said.
And when it was given that there absolutely ARE atheists dictating state policies, you moved the goalpost to be a country that required atheism, yet also tolerated religion. Which is impossible simply because you're requiring a contradictory circumstance. The very point of my question is to illustrate the contradictory terminology you're now requiring.
In a secular country, an atheist in charge should be acting exactly the same as a theist in charge, provided both have respect for the secular standards of said nation.
I'm sorry TOSSTHEDWARF, I can't hear you over the sound of my victory.
Don't gloat, man... makes you look like a chode. We all are aware of your victory.
Duh duh duh duh DUH DUH DUH DUH
::final fantasy victory theme::
Please, what revisionist hogwash. He was absolutely motivated by his Christianity and it's one of the reasons the Vatican was so thumbs up towards the Nazis.
You are aware that anti-Semitism peaked in the US during the WWII period, right (see also: Walter LaFeber). So to pretend that Hitler's beliefs were not consistent with Christian thought at the time is a woefully inadequate fig leaf you're covering up with. He may have taken it further than others would have but it was hardly a unique prejudice.
That anti-semitism had a pretty robust history and present day backing in Christianity is beyond dispute. That said, it's sort of equally bizarre to suggest Hitler's preferred metaphysics didn't extend considerably outside of what the Catholic Church taught.
Also, can someone please murder me? Are we seriously having a Hitler argument?
Yeah mate, I think TOINFINITYANDBEYOND Godwin'd the thread.
And what I was suggesting was that in terms of hating Jews, Hitler wasn't out of sync with the rest of Chrisendom - just far more aggressive his approach to it.
I'd say European/Western anti-Semitism extends far beyond simply Christianity. It predates Christianity. Pagan Romans didn't like Jewish people very much, for example. There are Muslim anti-Semites who were largely influenced by Westerners and Russians and whose hatred is driven by a political entity in the Middle East that declares itself a Jewish state. Hitler was a product of endemic and long-standing cultural German anti-Semitism (and anti-Communism/Socialism that was tied into anti-Semitism) at least as much as he was a product of traditional Catholic and Protestant anti-Semitism, if not moreso.
Oh ****. I didn't see that Vivec, or else I'd have gone with TOTHEBATCAVEROBIN or something.
Whereas, in contrast to Even's outline of European anti-semitism, the history of anit-semitism as a feature of Axumite Christianity is comparatively weaker.
Let's play the Wikipedia Hitler game!
Go to Wikipedia's home page. Click on 'Random Article:"
Then count the number of clicks it takes you to get to Hitler's wiki page. The object is to get to his page in as few clicks as possible (you may not use search... it's gotta be done via clicks on individual wiki pages). Post the number of clicks and the pages you visited to get there. The winner gets... I don't know... something.
TOPCHEFUSA, why do you "like" every single post that isn't a total rebuke of your stance? It smells of desperation.