Going Icon-less and changing sigs to support the Mods...

Discussion in 'Communications' started by kreleia, Feb 27, 2004.

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  1. RogueJaina Jedi Master

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    Jul 6, 2001
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    Yvette, I'm surprised at you.

    For everyone who just got sick of not having an icon, that's your choice, and I'll respect it, and I'm not saying anything after this, but has the issue changed? If not, have your feelings? If not, why have you stopped doing something that, even if it doesn't make a difference, is a powerful way to voice your opinions in a non-threatening manner? Just curious. [face_plain]
  2. DarthBane420 Jedi Grand Master

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    Jan 13, 2003
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    Sad isn't it Rogue?
    It also sends a very important message to the ownership....
    "DO NOT TAKE US SERIOUSLY!"
  3. -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus

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    Apr 28, 2002
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    I think this protest has ran its course. Everything is back to normal now, for the most part.
  4. Falcon Chosen One

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    Feb 7, 2002
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    sorry I got my icon back I still support the mods, but still to be honest I had trouble locating my posts
  5. JediStarMoonstruck Force Ghost

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    Feb 19, 2002
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    I think this protest has ran its course. Everything is back to normal now, for the most part.

    "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
    -Haile Selassie
  6. -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus

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    "Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
    -Haile Selassie



    *slams fist*

    Curses! My cover as Philip Wise's second in command and co-conspirator has been blown!
  7. Obey Wann Former RMFF CR & SW Region RSA

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    Everything is back to normal now, for the most part.



    Sure it is. [face_plain] Like too many people with 30-minute sitcom memory span swho have to be spoon fed by 30 second sound-bytes to remain interested, they've left this behind because it didn't directly affect them, or didn't fill their daily drama quotient.

    It reminds me about the old quote about Nazi Germany, when they took away all the people who were 'different', one group at a time, but no one spoke up; and when it came time for the author to be taken, there was no one left to stand up and defend him.


    Just because some of us are laying low, does not mean we're laying down and sucking up to PW like certain others. [face_plain]

    I won't use the name 'scabs', but the title might just fit some of the people around here just fine. [face_plain]
  8. Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep

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    Apr 24, 2001
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    I don't think things will be entirely the same again, but there comes a point where moving on is the most appropriate and healthy thing to do.

    There are two facts of the matter I consider important:
    1) PW apologized for certain comments he made.
    2) The new rule about submitting personal information is here to stay regardless of whether we like it or not.

    In light of these things, moving on is simply the best thing to do.
  9. Obey Wann Former RMFF CR & SW Region RSA

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    1) PW apologized for certain comments he made.
    2) The new rule about submitting personal information is here to stay regardless of whether we like it or not.


    1) If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. Secon, the keyword and tricky phrase is certain comments he made.

    2) If you are dumb enough to believe the reasons he gave you about the personal information thing, I can give you a really good deal on that bridge.


    I don't know who I am more dissapointed in: The mods who are sucking up to this guy, or the non-mods who are following changing back to their old ways, like so many sheep.

    strilo edit: Calling people dumb is against the TOS. I am disappointed that a former RSA would not understand the rules.
  10. Vader Fett Jedi Master

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  11. -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus

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    Sure it is. Like too many people with 30-minute sitcom memory span swho have to be spoon fed by 30 second sound-bytes to remain interested, they've left this behind because it didn't directly affect them, or didn't fill their daily drama quotient.

    It reminds me about the old quote about Nazi Germany, when they took away all the people who were 'different', one group at a time, but no one spoke up; and when it came time for the author to be taken, there was no one left to stand up and defend him.


    Just because some of us are laying low, does not mean we're laying down and sucking up to PW like certain others.

    I won't use the name 'scabs', but the title might just fit some of the people around here just fine.



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    I don't know who I am more dissapointed in: The mods who are sucking up to this guy, or the non-mods who are following changing back to their old ways, like so many sheep.

    I'm very interested in hearing the many ways that you plan on starting a revolution.
  12. Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Dec 27, 1999
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    Okay, Nazis have been brought up in an internet argument. Can we envoke Goodwin's Law now?

    Comparing what has happened here to Nazi Germany is blowing things way out of proportion. One was the slaughter of millions of innocent people, the other is the internet. And the abuse of E-power, and E-revolutions. Sorry, comparing the two really doesn't make me want to jump up, ready for action.
  13. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    I heartily agree with DDH.

  14. -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus

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    Viva la revolution!

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  15. JediYvette Pacific RSA emeritus

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    I am sorry, Anne. I am too weak. [face_plain]
  16. legacyAccount Jedi Youngling

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    May 22, 2012
    I'm going to agree with DDH on the Nazi issue.

    1) PW apologized for certain comments he made.

    Really? All I've gotten as far as that's concerned is heresay. Never saw an apology myself.


    I'm not happy with the way things turned out, but nothing that I'm going to do will change that, so, so be it. I've PMed all of the new YJCC mods to tell them that I have no hard feelings towards them, because I know that one of the comments I got alot was about how mad I was going to be at the new mods - I'm not. More power to them :p

    For the people who want to add their icons back or change their sigs - if you want to do it, go ahead. I never removed my icon, so it's silly of me to expect you to continue going icon-less if I'm not doing it myself.

    And if you want to continue being icon-less, that's cool also. I don't see it as beating a dead horse, so long as you realize that not having an icon isn't going to bring us back. But I don't think many people believed that it was going to anyways.

    And always remember: real life > internet drama
  17. RogueJaina Jedi Master

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    Jul 6, 2001
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    It doesn't have to change anything, or bring anything back. It's just a statement of what I believe is right. That's why I'll continue to do it, but why I'll also respect anyone else's choice to do or not do it. :)
  18. Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep

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    1) If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. Secon, the keyword and tricky phrase is certain comments he made.

    I pointed out a specific choice comment I thought really was inappropriate and the source of much of the drama. He apologized for that one. There were other comments he made I thought lacked the level of diplomacy (for lack of a better word) I would have like to see, but when you mod for a while, you get used to tough comments and grow thicker skin.

    As to whether his apology was sincere, only God knows his heart. He's said it, if he says it again it doesn't make it any more or less true, so I can either accept it or not. Continuing to be bitter and recentful over the issue is only going to make me miserable and a generally unpleasant person, which does no one any good. So, for me, the choice to move on was a logical one.


    2) If you are dumb enough to believe the reasons he gave you about the personal information thing, I can give you a really good deal on that bridge.

    I'm not entirely sure I understood the reason to begin with myself, but you're missing my point. Regardless of whether his reasons are entirely sound and noble, or something less, the rule isn't going to change. He will absolutely not budge on it, and obviously neither are the other owners. This new rule is simply a fact that we have to live with.


    I don't know who I am more dissapointed in: The mods who are sucking up to this guy, or the non-mods who are following changing back to their old ways, like so many sheep.

    Or the former mods who carry on in a manner unbenifiting their former position? You were a good RSA, I know because you were my RSA for a while and I enjoyed working with you. It's disappointing to see such a quality RSA resort to throwing out general insults. I hope you're able to put this behind you some day, and despite your low opinion of me, I hold you no ill will.


    1) PW apologized for certain comments he made.

    Really? All I've gotten as far as that's concerned is heresay. Never saw an apology myself.


    Do you, by chance, still have MS access? If so, I'll PM you a link.
  19. royalguard96 Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Aug 13, 2001
    star 5
    I put my icon back on, because I figured the point to be made, was made within that time frame.

    I haven't changed how I feel about how everything went down, and about how poorly Philip handled things from the start.

    I won't make the reach to compare this situation to the Nazis...but I think perhaps a 1960s-style sit in is more appropriate. You sit, you make your point, then you either move on or get arrested.

    Knowing that the users here are capable of uniting so completely on an issue to me, means more than if some of us put an icon back.
  20. Katya Jade Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jan 19, 2002
    star 7
    Do you, by chance, still have MS access? If so, I'll PM you a link.

    But, Stryphe, that's not the point. The current mods got an apology. Not the ones who left. PMing a link to the thread doesn't change the fact that while PW clustered this whole situation, he didn't even have the courtesy to email or PM any of us. That's pretty rude.

    As for going iconless, as Carmie said, it's really up to everyone individually. The situation over and done with. Those mods who left won't be coming back unless they give their info. The gesture is certainly appreciated, but it won't change PW's mind.
  21. Strilo Manager Emeritus

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    Aug 6, 2001
    star 8
    But, Stryphe, that's not the point. The current mods got an apology. Not the ones who left. PMing a link to the thread doesn't change the fact that while PW clustered this whole situation, he didn't even have the courtesy to email or PM any of us. That's pretty rude.

    This is yet another issue I have with Mr Wise. It makes his apologies hollow and empty to me. The whole thing was handled in a very crappy manor. I was taught as a child that actions speak louder than words. Wise's actions show he does not give a rat's ass about his volunteers nor does he respect the work we do in the slightest. A few well placed words a week after the fact do nothing to change his actions.

  22. legacyAccount Jedi Youngling

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    May 22, 2012
    Do you, by chance, still have MS access? If so, I'll PM you a link.

    No. As soon as we were demoted, our MS access was removed. In fact, I asked if I could keep my MS access because right before I was demoted Philip had started the "ask me questions" thread, and I had asked a question. It was removed anyways, so I never got to see the answer to my question.

    None of the demoted mods have MS access, so none of us saw an apology.
  23. Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep

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    But, Stryphe, that's not the point. The current mods got an apology. Not the ones who left.

    Well, two things there. First, what he apologized for was his statements he made to all mods early on in the drama. So technically it's an apology for all. The problem being he made it in the MS after those who did not submit the info were booted. As such, I can appreciate your relucants to accept it.

    Secondly, I'm not making excuses for how he handled it, merely stating that in light of his apology, I choose to forgive him and would encourage others to do the same. Our results speak for themselves. The results of how PW choose to handle this was the loss of many good mods (even some who did submit their information, like KW, for example), uneasiness throughout the fanforces and the biggest drama this board has ever seen. Apologizing for something doesn't change what happened. It does not make the damage mysteriously go away. Apologizes never do, that's not their purpose. I hope, though, that a lesson has been learned and next time the owners will handle the situation better. Actually, I think there is something for all to learn, each in their own turn. If we can do that, then this situation will not have been a waste.
  24. Kimball_Kinnison Chosen One

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    Considering that the issue is more or less settled, Godwin's Law has been invoked, and there is not much more we can do about this at this time, I'm locking this thread now. I'll leave the "Open Letter" open for a while longer in case anything more happens, but it really is time to simply deal with things as they are.

    Kimball Kinnison
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