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Discussion in 'Community' started by VadersLaMent , Sep 4, 2012.

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  1. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    MALKIE ^:)^
     
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  2. SithLordDarthRichie

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    I never get the whole trying to disprove evolution thing, surely creationists could just say God created evolution and it would still allow for the things they believe in.
     
  3. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Yeah, that's pretty much what I believe. That evolution was (and is, because it's still going on) part of God's plan.
     
  4. jp-30

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    Quick everyone, retreat back to the temp boards!
     
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  5. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    Well, not if they believe in a literal six day creation (which is ironically a Jewish retelling of Babylonian creation myths but with correct theology).

    As an ardent Thomist, I think that the presence of order and purpose and design in the universe is a good evidence for the existence of a rational creator, and that the principle of natural selection only reveals that the order is intrinsic.
     
  6. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Even without being a six day literalist, evolution and the genesis account still do not coincide. Human beings are described as having a particular mode of creation from dust enlivened by the spirit of God, as opposed to descent from already living creatures.
     
  7. Quixotic-Sith

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    I know, I know. I can't wait until October and Assassin's Creed 3, either.
     
  8. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    The internet can't go a single science thread without the eventual theology discussion.
     
  9. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    We are so not in need of another thread where people attempt to reconcile the dogma of their respective religions with objective evidence from the real world.
     
  10. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent 2017 Celebrity Deathpool Winner star 10

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    This is one of those "Gooooo science!" moments where I say...wait a minute.

    The FBI’s Jerome Pender told the Senate in July that the searchable photo database used in the pilot studies only includes mugshots of known criminals. But it’s unclear from the NGI’s privacy statement whether that will remain the case once the entire system is up and running or if civilian photos might be added, says attorney Jennifer Lynch of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

    AND:

    There is enough wind to meet all of our energy needs
     
  11. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    I'm...not really sure how that pertains to science.
     
  12. ShaneP

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    I agree with this as my personal belief up to the plan part. I think our creator ,"the force" of you will, may or may not have a plan.
     
  13. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Metaphors. Literalists are missing the point.
     
  14. Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi

    Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi Jedi Master star 6

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    And creationists are usually convinced that man and dinosaurs co-existed and that all dinosaurs were vegetarians in the Garden of Eden.
     
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  15. VadersLaMent

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  16. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    So I guess we can expect that 5000 way Nobel, huh? :p
     
  17. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    Higgs-like boson
     
  18. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    So intelligent design with very fancy pantaloons?
     
  19. Darth_Invidious

    Darth_Invidious Force Ghost star 6

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    Uhhuh. I sure as hell would like to know just what that "plan" entails, coz figuring it out on or own absolutely boggles/stumps the mind.

    So the Higgs discovery is certified eh? So what now? When do we get our hoverboards and teleporters?
     
  20. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    This is why I (and others) discourage attempts at extracting philosophy from scientific principles. The "presence of order" shouldn't be evidence for any metaphysical concept.
     
  21. Ramza

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    Could perhaps be evidence for an isomorphism with the natural numbers. :p
     
  22. Obi-Zahn Kenobi

    Obi-Zahn Kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    In fairness, I brought it up because I was annoyed at how my former co-religionists would react . . .
     
  23. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    I was just using you as an example since you were closest.

    My point, however, still stands.
     
  24. Quixotic-Sith

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    *Certain types* of philosophy - philosophy and science need to be mutually aware and influential to be responsible. Philosophical theories that don't jibe with science are just storytelling, and science without an awareness of it's own philosophical assumptions is ignorance.
     
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  25. Lord Vivec

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    You'll note I wasn't talking about philosophy of science and the like. Hence my mention of metaphysics.
     
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