JCC Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo science!

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  1. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    MALKIE ^:)^
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  2. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    I never get the whole trying to disprove evolution thing, surely creationists could just say God created evolution and it would still allow for the things they believe in.
  3. Mar17swgirl Chosen One

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    Yeah, that's pretty much what I believe. That evolution was (and is, because it's still going on) part of God's plan.
  4. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    Quick everyone, retreat back to the temp boards!
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  5. Obi-Zahn Kenobi Chosen One

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    Well, not if they believe in a literal six day creation (which is ironically a Jewish retelling of Babylonian creation myths but with correct theology).

    As an ardent Thomist, I think that the presence of order and purpose and design in the universe is a good evidence for the existence of a rational creator, and that the principle of natural selection only reveals that the order is intrinsic.
  6. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Even without being a six day literalist, evolution and the genesis account still do not coincide. Human beings are described as having a particular mode of creation from dust enlivened by the spirit of God, as opposed to descent from already living creatures.
  7. Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus

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    I know, I know. I can't wait until October and Assassin's Creed 3, either.
  8. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    The internet can't go a single science thread without the eventual theology discussion.
  9. Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus

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    We are so not in need of another thread where people attempt to reconcile the dogma of their respective religions with objective evidence from the real world.
  10. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    This is one of those "Gooooo science!" moments where I say...wait a minute.

    The FBI’s Jerome Pender told the Senate in July that the searchable photo database used in the pilot studies only includes mugshots of known criminals. But it’s unclear from the NGI’s privacy statement whether that will remain the case once the entire system is up and running or if civilian photos might be added, says attorney Jennifer Lynch of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

    AND:

    There is enough wind to meet all of our energy needs
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  11. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    I'm...not really sure how that pertains to science.
  12. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    I agree with this as my personal belief up to the plan part. I think our creator ,"the force" of you will, may or may not have a plan.
  13. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    Metaphors. Literalists are missing the point.
  14. Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    And creationists are usually convinced that man and dinosaurs co-existed and that all dinosaurs were vegetarians in the Garden of Eden.
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  15. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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  16. Ramza JC Head Admin and RPF Manager

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    So I guess we can expect that 5000 way Nobel, huh? :p
  17. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    Higgs-like boson
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  18. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    So intelligent design with very fancy pantaloons?
  19. Darth_Invidious Chosen One

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    Uhhuh. I sure as hell would like to know just what that "plan" entails, coz figuring it out on or own absolutely boggles/stumps the mind.

    So the Higgs discovery is certified eh? So what now? When do we get our hoverboards and teleporters?
  20. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    This is why I (and others) discourage attempts at extracting philosophy from scientific principles. The "presence of order" shouldn't be evidence for any metaphysical concept.
  21. Ramza JC Head Admin and RPF Manager

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    Could perhaps be evidence for an isomorphism with the natural numbers. :p
  22. Obi-Zahn Kenobi Chosen One

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    In fairness, I brought it up because I was annoyed at how my former co-religionists would react . . .
  23. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    I was just using you as an example since you were closest.

    My point, however, still stands.
  24. Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus

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    *Certain types* of philosophy - philosophy and science need to be mutually aware and influential to be responsible. Philosophical theories that don't jibe with science are just storytelling, and science without an awareness of it's own philosophical assumptions is ignorance.
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  25. Lord Vivec Chosen One

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    You'll note I wasn't talking about philosophy of science and the like. Hence my mention of metaphysics.
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