TCW Episode Grade the Episode: S05E16: Lawless

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by Seerow, Feb 6, 2013.

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How would you grade this episode?

10/10 50 vote(s) 55.6%
9/10 18 vote(s) 20.0%
8/10 13 vote(s) 14.4%
7/10 4 vote(s) 4.4%
6/10 1 vote(s) 1.1%
5/10 2 vote(s) 2.2%
4/10 1 vote(s) 1.1%
3/10 0 vote(s) 0.0%
2/10 0 vote(s) 0.0%
1/10 1 vote(s) 1.1%
  1. SpecialOpsUnit Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Sep 1, 2007
    star 4
    First time in a long time I haven't seen a 1 for an episode.
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  2. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Feb 25, 2011
    star 5
    I have to agree with CaptainRex115, once the Vizsla-Satine conflict went, and without someone clearly leading them up front, Death Watch became kinda boring. They were little more than a distraction by the end.
  3. JackG Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Aug 15, 2011
    star 4
    Yoda voice: "You will...you will."
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  4. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Feb 25, 2011
    star 5
    Must...resist...

    Ah screw it, I'm temporarily lifting my personal abstinence from voting threads to give the first 1.

    1/10 this episode sucks because Randy died :_|:_|:_|
    Last edited by ImNotAStarWarsFanboy, Feb 9, 2013
  5. K'Kruhk Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Dec 11, 2011
    star 3
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  6. JackG Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Aug 15, 2011
    star 4
  7. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Jul 2, 2004
    star 7
  8. CaptainRex115 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Jan 11, 2013
    star 3
    I do agree with you. Honestly the only thing giving this episode a six out of ten for me was a few scenes....

    Satine and Maul and Obi-Wan Interaction
    Savage and Maul interaction early on in the episode

    That's really about it. This episode easily could have been knocked down to a three out of ten or less.

    The Mandalorian stuff was extremely boring. Without Pre Vizsla, they're is no point in the Death Watch. Just random Mandalorians fighting who I don't care about.

    The two death scenes I admire greatly. Savage and Maul had good parts together. For example when Maul gave Savage a little head nod when they both got their Lightsabers to fight Darth Sidious I thought that was a great moment for the Brothers. As well as Savage's death scene was good interruption between them.

    Filoni lied to us. This was not even close to the best duel of the series. Darth Sidious was completely toying around with both of them the entire fight. Except when Maul went toe-to-toe with Sidious at the end. It makes no sesne how in Season Three Savage can whoop Ventress and Dooku at one time as well as beat Anakin and Obi Wan together at the same time yet he gets completely dominated by Darth Sidious.

    Savage should have lived. They wasted his character. This week I've been going back and watching all of Savage's episodes in Season Three and Four. Such an awesome character. His ending was unfair and I feel like it was a slap in the face to us as fans. Savage deserved a better ending. He never even went up against Ventress or Count Dooku again. I am just so upset at all that they wasted when they killed of Savage Opress

    Maul not dying in the end also saved this episode from losing another point.
    Last edited by CaptainRex115, Feb 9, 2013
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  9. K'Kruhk Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Dec 11, 2011
    star 3
    Of course it makes sense. It's Darth Sidious. No further explanation needed.
  10. Jabba_The_Hutt_123 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Oct 29, 2003
    star 3
    No that does make no sense, though I don't really Savage defeated Dooku. He choked him but I think Dooku just wasn't ready for that, he was dominating Savage otherwise wasn't he?
  11. Valairy Scot Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Sep 16, 2005
    star 5
    Giving a "1" because one character died would be like me giving a "10" just because Obi-Wan appeared in the episode.
    Personally, my vote is far more nuanced and based on quite a few factors, not just one.
  12. Seerow SWTV★Mod

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    Member Since:
    Jun 7, 2011
    star 6
    My vote was based on sheer awesomeness when I boil it all down. =D
  13. CaptainRex115 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Jan 11, 2013
    star 3
    Right... Because Darth Sidious can own someone who owned both Anakin and Obi-Wan. So that means he double owns Anakin and Ob-Wan. Which means he would more than triple own Anakin individually... Yet George Lucas said himself that Anakin can beat Sidious. I mean there comes a point when you should question yourself if you believe Darth Sidious can triple own the Chosen one.
  14. KenobiSkywalker Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Sep 3, 2012
    star 4
    IIRC GL said Anakin would have been stronger than Sidious were it not for losing to Obi-Wan on Mustafar. If Sidious could kill 3 council members in under 30 seconds then I think he could handle Savage and Maul without much trouble.
  15. CaptainRex115 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Jan 11, 2013
    star 3
    But Savage owned both Obi Wan and Anakin together during season three.
  16. K'Kruhk Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Dec 11, 2011
    star 3
    Darth Sidious at this moment in time is stronger than Anakin. And as you've seen, yes, he can 'own' Savage.

    No, Lucas said if Anakin was able to kill Obi-Wan on Mustafar then he would be stronger. So at no point during the films is Anakin/Vader stronger than Sidious.

    No, I should not have to question myself whether or not Sidious can defeat Anakin when we've been told that this is the case.

    'Double owns', 'triple own'... Christ almighty.
  17. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 5, 2011
    star 5
    Well, you're applying math to fighting, which doesn't always work.

    I definitely see your point and would like more internal consistency when it comes to duels, but Star Wars doesn't bother with that.
    Last edited by CT-867-5309, Feb 9, 2013
  18. Sable_Hart Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Nov 28, 2009
    star 4
    This show (and saga in general, really) could use more consistency with duelseverything, but Anakin's abilities are more theorized than actualized. Give him time and training and he'd waste Sidious, but until then? The Dark Lord is superior in pretty much every respect.
  19. KED12345 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Sep 10, 2012
    star 4
    You'd be surprised at how many people vote '1's over things little like "...the curtains were too blue." ;)
    Last edited by KED12345, Feb 9, 2013
  20. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Feb 25, 2011
    star 5
    At least I gave a reason, instead of the infamous 1 and 10 trolls. We never did find out who they were.
    Last edited by ImNotAStarWarsFanboy, Feb 9, 2013
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  21. KED12345 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Sep 10, 2012
    star 4
    We can now, I believe those polls are no longer anonymous.
  22. Mzukiller Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Sep 5, 2012
    star 2
    9/10 It was VERY good, but I feel like Obi Wan and others could've had more involvement.
  23. CT-867-5309 Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jan 5, 2011
    star 5
    Looks like most or all of the votes are in.

    70 votes, for an average score of 9.07. Very high, but I'm 99.99% sure it's not a record.

    I believe 39 'tens', however, is a record, defeating the previous record of 37 held by Overlords.
  24. CaptainRex115 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Jan 11, 2013
    star 3
    Overrated.... I think Rookies got 9.35 or something...
  25. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Oct 23, 2003
    star 6
    So right, it must be posted twice.
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