PT Grievous was an idiot here

Agreed, but I thought he was pretty awesome in the microseries at least.

 

I don't think he's a coward getting into fights, but he runs when he think's he's going to lose.

 

The true Grievous is obviously the pre-ROTS Grievous.

 

FALL BACK EVERYONE! BEHIND THE CORNER! We'll handle this (even though we ran away last time XD)

But seriously if they had droidekas to counter the Naboo security and Padme and the two Jedi, then with two Jedi off fighting Maul, the security crew would have an even less chance of surviving. They would have used the droidekas regardless of Jedi being there.

 

One-for-one.

Whoa, GG, you're on fire! Like, literally!


But on a more serious note, I think Grievous is mostly bluster anyhow. But he does have reason for his confidence, considering he's slain numerous Jedi during the Clone Wars (as we're told, but unfortunately not shown, in the films, but instead in the EU). If we take TCW into account, the fight against Kenobi in particular is more personal, considering how many times he had failed to kill the Jedi Master before. And to his credit, I must say it takes big (robot) b**** to stand up to multiple Jedi, sometimes with little to no backup, in a lightsaber fight, so the fact that he's often called a coward in the films is really a bit of a misnomer. Virtually all of his retreats have been purely tactical. Even Dooku (in the micro-series) mentioned that Grievous should use the element of surprise to take on his foes, or it would be best not to engage, or retreat strategically. Considering how "busy" RotS was with its various plotlines, there just wasn't enough time to develop Grievous as a character, which is why I can understand the sentiment that Grievous was a "missed opportunity" in the film, unfair or not.

 

At the time his portrayal in ROTS made slight sense in regards to the canon of the micro series. His chest was crushed just moments before in the opening of ROTS so he had to be careful as he was weaker, then TCW use the same version which means to me Lucas intended him as a cowardly leader all along. It's disappointing as I adored Grievous in the mico-series, comics, and the awesome cameos in Republic Commando made me so excited to see the character on the big screen.

 

I thik the Maul situation had more reasoning. The Jedi wanted to capture him and find out about the mystery of the Sith, AND had they jusy confronted him there he could have killed several of the Naboo before dying. He wasn't in a hopelessly surrounded situation like Obi-Wan was.

 

It's a little weird because Grievous does not immediately challenge Obi-Wan on Utapau. He first sends the magna-guards with the saber-staffs. It's only after Obi-Won kills the magna-guards that Grievous decides to fight him by himself. Maybe Grievous was pals with those magna-guards, and Obi knew that killing them would set Grievous off.

Also, I don't think Grievous was a missed opportunity in ROTS. Grievous was made ridiculously over-powered in that 2004 Clone Wars hand-drawn cartoon. Why would you need Anakin or Dooku as your apprentice when you have that guy on your side? I think a Grievous that powerful would have distracted from the importance of the really powerful guys duking it out--Mace, Palpatine, Yoda, Obi-Won, and Anakin. Grievous was more important just because he was a leader of the Separatists and part of Palpatine's plan.

 

Thanks, about my icon. (I think that was directed at me; if not, I'll pretend it was ) And with your icon, I can't figure out who has the creepier eyes the owl or Conan!

 

As much as I love TCW, and it is Canon I think at times Grievous was a missed opportunity there, not in ROTS though. As Darth Ladnar said, Grievous is the leader of the Separatists and part of Sideous plan, George did what had to be done. In TCW however while he would run off a lot he still could have killed more Jedi. All is said and done though, so nothing we can do about it…….. Except a Grievous Spinoff!

 

Like I said,, as proven in E3, even the most skilled swordsmen cannot deflect an endless barrage of blaster fire coming in from all directions. It was a plot convenience but simple fact is the smart thing to do would for QuiGon to guard the queen and all others to open fire.

 

Grievous was an idiot left, right, and center.

 

You underestimate the dark side, the speed and power of Darth Maul 's force push and the fear those pilots felt upon seeing him. Before Qui Gon finished issuing the command, half of them would have been sprawled halfways across the hangar and the Zabrak would have skipped the theatrics to cut right into those who remained... all while the Jedi stood back to protect the Queen. None of the common men would have survived and with the Queen in the middle of a lightsaber fight, the odds shift dramatically in Maul's favor. Qui Gon followed the living force and trusted his insticts, splitting them in two groups saved many lives.

 

Puh-leeze. He was a Sith Apprentice, not a god. As Episodes 2 & 3 demonstrated, even Masters can not survive a barrage coming in from all directions.

 

And it proved that even more die. They were finished. If Dooku hadn't made the battledroids cease fire to gloat at Windu, it would have been over.

Very much so. The element of surprise is prevalent in countless engagements throughout the whole saga. In every instance it tips the scale to the aggressors favor.

Qui-Gon always acted first and reflected later. He had a score to settle with a dangerous enemy that got the jump on him on Tatooine- literally! This is the kind of behavior that Yoda would consider reckless. Kenobi adopts his master's pragmatism years later with comments like "spring the trap!" "Sith Lords are our speciality". The younger Padawan Kenobi would have never uttered things like these Qui-Gon'isms.

 

This is what I was thinking. Whether Dooku gloated or not, the gunships would've arrived in a minute or less. Why the droids paused even after Dooku ordered them to finish the Jedi but before the gunships landed, I'll never know...it was like a second of menacing silence before Padme said "Look!" But still, even if a few more Jedi had died, the gunships still would've arrived in time to save most of them.

 

Go to :30 mark.

Darth Malgus killed seven soldiers before they even had a chance to react and they were all standing there with weapons at the ready. None of them survived. Looking more closely at Theed where Maul was facing pilots & security guards, not soldiers... it would have ended just the same, if not faster.

 

If the gunships hadn't come down, yeah, they would've died. But at least a few of them–Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Plo Koon, probably Ki-Adi-Mundi, Kit Fisto, and Aayla Secura–would've survived the extra 30 seconds-1 minute required for the gunship to arrive. Whether Padme would've survived with only five Jedi to duck behind is up for grabs, though.

 

What movie are those scenes from? Did they release Episode 0 and I missed it?

Darth Maul is a Sith Apprentice who was eventually killed by a Padawan. He was not a god. Even Masters can be felled by an unstoppable barrage of blaster bolts coming in from all sides. The fact that someone has to reference a video game to try and prove their point really only hurts their own contention. Last I checked, we were discussing movies in here, not video games.