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Okay Master @Rebecca_Daniels, here is my answer:
"Explain the three types of Jedi and explain which one draws you in most."
1. Jedi Consular: A Jedi Consular is a Jedi whom rarely enters battles or combat and prefers to study the mysteries of the Force. They are also highly skilled negotiators and diplomats. These Jedi prefer to spread peace and harmony through the galaxy according to the Jedi way and will only resort to combat as a last resort. Some roles of the Consulars include:
~ Jedi Ambassadors and Diplomats - go off to other worlds and help with problems with negotiation and diplomacy
~ Jedi Healers - help to heal other Jedi or other people
~ Jedi Researchers - research and collect information regarding important topics
Consulars traditionally will have green lightsabers to symbolise their commitment peace, and some Consular Jedi include Yoda, Kit Fisto and Shaak Ti.

2. The Guardians: The Jedi Guardians are Jedi whose skill/specialities lie in combat and warfare. The Guardians concentrate on combat skills rather than meditation or diplomacy. These Jedi take part in battles/war more than the other types of Jedi. Guardians work closely with the Galactic police force and Galactic military as sometimes they will be in combat with these forces. Examples of the roles the Guardian Jedi include:
~ Lightsaber instructors - teach the use of lightsabers and combat to the initiates, younglings and padawans
~ Jedi Ace - gifted pilots and dogfighters who often work with Navy
~ Jedi Peacekeepers - as the name suggests, they keep peace; especially along Outer Rim and are normally most known Jedi
Jedi Guardians will usually have a blue lightsaber, which symbolises solidarity and uniformity. Notable Jedi Guardians include Mace Windu, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

3. Jedi Sentinels: Jedi Sentinels are considered a mix between Guardians and Consulars. While the Guardians and Consulars mainly focussed on what they can achieve with the Force alone, Sentinels use other skills from their related fields as well as the Force, such as security, computers and medicine. This is because they realised that the Force can only achieve so much and by employing in specialised skills, they could achieve so much more. Here are some examples of the roles of Sentinels:
~ Jedi Recruiters - track down other force-sensitives/force-users for the Order and test newborn force-sensitives' sensitivity.
~ Jedi Shadow - the closest the order has to assassins, they tracked down anything that had to do with the Dark Side or Sith and destroyed it
~ Jedi Investigators - Jedi who worked with special forces and tracked down criminals, investigated crimes and investigated criminal organisations.
Jedi Sentinels traditionally used yellow lightsabers, which were often dual wielded. Notable Jedi Sentinels include Bastila Shan, Kam Solusar and Kyle Katarn.

For me, personally, I am very drawn to the Jedi Sentinels. I really like that they don't just rely on the Force and incorporate their own unique skill sets to become their own Jedi. They seem very unique and different from most Jedi, and I really enjoy finding what makes me, or other people unique. I also really like that the Sentinels are mostly a mixture of the Guardians and Consulars because for me I couldn't just be good at combat and only do combat or just work out the mysteries of the Force and teach others about them. For me I really like both, a mixture is good and that's exactly what Sentinels are.

"While a Guardian might kick a door down, a Consular might knock, a Sentinel would pick the lock."​

 

@Khalia Octa An interesting choice-- I'm a Sentinel myself What do you think of the three classes as compared to one another? After all, Obi-wan was a well-known negotiator and diplomat-- yet he was classified as a Guardian. Where do the three classes each overlap? Does focusing on certain skills give a Jedi an edge, or is it better to diversify their skills?

 

I think that the classes do differ slightly from one another, but still overlap in many ways. For example, in all of the classes combat and Force-use is used, even in the Consulars. As the three classes are still all Jedi classes, the types will overlap. They are all instructors and negotiators in some sense, as they all teach younger Jedi their skills. The classes overlap in the skill sets of the Jedi - while they use these skills in different forms, in the end they all come to the same conclusion and goal -- to defeat the evil in the galaxy and stay in the light.
For a Jedi, focussing on certain skills can definitely give them a much needed edge in battles or tough situations, but sometimes that isn't enough. It is definitely 100% better to learn other skills so that the Jedi has many different tactics and ways of thinking something through. It's like with maths equations (for lack of better example), you learn to do an equation one way and think that the certain way is great and super simple. Then you learn another way of solving the equation and find out it's more effective and faster than the first. Obviously you would then do it the quicker and more effective way. But you wouldn't just forget about the other way of solving the equation, because if for some unknown reason the quicker equation didn't work, then you would have to resort to the other one.

 

@Khalia Octa Sentinels are often jacks of all trades, but there are roles within the Jedi that require very specific skillsets-- say, a healer. Should a healer learn lightsaber combat? Does an archivist need to know how to pilot ships? If there's only so much time in the day, should a Jedi focus on skills directly related to their role, or should they branch out, learn something different? What would you prefer to do, as an individual Jedi-- learn it all, but perhaps risk not mastering any of the multitude of skills, or focus on a specific few to a deeper extent of mastery? No one can master it all-- where would you place your focus?

 

Yes, a healer doesn't know when they may face enemies in their lives, no matter how unlikely it may seem to them. They don't need to fully focus on combat, just learn enough to be confident with their skills and sure they could take out any danger. For example, in several Clone Wars episodes they showed paid Bounty Hunters infiltrating the Jedi Temple, one posing as a Jedi Librarian/Archivist. They were easily defeated and hidden so that the Bounty Hunters could steal the holocron. If the Librarian had practiced lightsaber combat, the holocron may not have been stolen so easily. Some skills are more important than others, like Archivists really don't need to know how to pilot ships, but combat is essential for any good Jedi.
It's hard to say, really, but I think that at first Jedi should focus on skills related to their role in the Order, and once they feel have mastered or know well those skills then they, if they wish, could learn other useful skills. It also depends on their role as a Jedi, as Sentinels or Guardians would benefit by learning more skills besides their own, but Consulars are more likely not to benefit. This is because the Sentinels and Guardians are more involved in combat and dealing with foes, so extra skills and surprises work well in their favour.

What would you prefer to do, as an individual Jedi-- learn it all, but perhaps risk not mastering any of the multitude of skills, or focus on a specific few to a deeper extent of mastery? No one can master it all-- where would you place your focus?
As a Jedi Padawan, at this time I would only focus on learning the basics. When I have learnt/chose (not sure) which type of Jedi I will become, then I would focus on mastering the skills from that role. Then, in my spare time or to expand my knowledge and grasp of the Force I would teach myself new and different skills to give me an edge in combat. You could think of it as a hobby; my work is continuing to master the skills of my Jedi role, then my hobby is practicing new skills. Yes, you definitely can't master everything at all, but you can still be good at some stuff, great at other things. It's mostly about balance, say 3/4 of the time you practice skills suitable to your role and 1/4 of the time you learn/practice new skills out of your role.

 

A truly impressive start to your Padawan training, @Khalia Octa. I gave you a bit of a hard time with those questions, but you knocked them out of the park. I definitely agree with you on this, a balance of skills is important to all Jedi regardless of class, and something good to recognise early on, in my opinion, so you don't become so focused that adding new skills is difficult. And helpful to remember that our "classes" aren't all that different in the end-- fighting evil, defending the innocent is definitely something we all work towards.

For all three throughtful responses I award you a combined 8 FPs @Bardan_Jusik

And a mini follow up question: what Jedi skills do you most want to learn, and which would you rather sleep through? Just so I have an idea. We've had some very unusual skills over the years, from exotic weapons training to pyrokinesis... nothing is off the table, though it might be hard to learn.

 

Thank you, Master @Kyber Acyk, for this assignment. I have enjoyed researching the different classes of Jedi. My newly acquired copy of The Jedi Path helped me quite a lot (as well as the OP). The three classes of Jedi are: Guardians, Consulars, and Sentinels.

Guardians: As Yoda reminds us, these are not warriors. However, they are the first line of defense used to protect Jedi and Republic interests. They perform this role in a physically active and demanding manner, engaging in combat where necessary. Originally, these Jedi had the goal of making the galaxy safer for ‘innocents’. Due to the prominent use of lightsabers by these Jedi, they probably represent the image of the Jedi that the wider public know. Most Guardians choose to carry a blue-bladed lightsaber in show of solidarity rather than as a requirement. Jedi Guardians have specialised roles such as Peacekeepers, Temple Security, and Starfighter pilots. The Peacekeepers play a role in security and policing. Temple Security includes Gatekeepers to the temple and Brutes to keep troublemakers away. The Starfighter pilots (‘Aces’) use their skill with the Force to enhance battle awareness. Due to their skill in combat, Guardians also include lightsaber instructors.

Consulars: These Jedi focus on mastering the mental, rather than physical, Force skills. Skilled in negotiation, they serve at the pleasure of the Senate, representing Republic political interests (working with the Republic Diplomatic Corps). They use words to conduct negotiations, avoiding use of the lightsaber unless absolutely necessary. For similar reasons to the Guardians, most Consulars choose to use a green lightsaber. As well as negotiating, Consulars are involved in teaching and seeking knowledge. There are several specialisations of Consulars, including Seers, Healers, Researchers, Ambassadors, Diplomats, and Lore Keepers. Seers have the ability to receive visions relating to both past and future potential events, using the Unifying Force. Healers use their deep connection to the Living Force, allowing them to heal themselves and others. Researchers focus on solving problems and using the archives to seek and pass on knowledge. Ambassadors are like the Guardians, but use words rather than lightsabers. The Diplomat role is closely related, but focus on detailed terms of treaties and negotiating peace. Lore Keepers are related to the Researchers, but are split into historians, librarians, and archivists.

Sentinels: Seen as a combination of the Guardians and Consulars, the Sentinels develop both physical and mental Force skills whilst also making full use of the non-Force-related skills of civilian life. The Sentinels engage in combat less than the Guardians but more than the Consulars, and choose to use a lightsaber with a yellow blade. There are many types of Sentinel, and their roles may relate to their skills acquired in life outside the order, such as Slicer, Tech/Security experts, and Shadows. Whilst they dedicate less time to physical training than the Guardians and to mental training than the Consulars, the combined skillset allows Sentinels to approach tasks that neither could do alone. The Sentinel Shadows seek out the dark side, trying to bring light to where there has been darkness. This sometimes requires them to make choices that other members of the Order might be uncomfortable making.

As I researched each of the three main types of Jedi, I appreciated the significant value of each. It would be a privilege to become any one of these types of Jedi, and I strive towards this. Ultimately, they are all Jedi, and they work together for a common purpose. The front-line role of the Guardians appeals to me. As I mentioned in a previous assignment, becoming a Consular Healer also draws me. However, during this exercise I was interested to learn about the Sentinel Shadows, which I did not know much about previously.

Based on my knowledge of myself, and of the Sentinel Shadows, this class of Jedi stands out to me. (FYI @Kyber Acyk, I chose this before I double checked which type of Jedi you are, and not just because I like the colour of the lightaber!). I feel my skillset is suited to the work of a Sentinel Shadow, and the work fits with my values. Combining some of the skills of the Guardians and Consulars in the role of Sentinel appeals to me because it allows a Jedi to work not only with Force skills, but also those acquired in regular life. Whilst they may seem to be a jack of all trades, I see the Sentinels as able to combine a multitude of skills to allow them to approach problems from new and innovative angles. Concerning the work of the Shadows specifically, they have been criticised by some for taking a black-and-white view of the world around them in their quest to find darkness. However, arguably they are required to see the grey in every situation in order to better understand darkness, allowing them to tackle it.

I’ve drawn upon some of @Rebecca_Daniels questions for further inspiration on this assignment.

What do you think of the three classes as compared to one another? After all, Obi-wan was a well-known negotiator and diplomat-- yet he was classified as a Guardian. Where do the three classes each overlap? Does focusing on certain skills give a Jedi an edge, or is it better to diversify their skills?

There is certainly overlap between the three classes, stemming from a common training pathway and common values. A Jedi only chooses their specific path at the time of knighthood, and until this point all Jedi undergo a standardised training program as an Initiate (Youngling) and Padawan. This means that all Jedi share the same early foundations of training, creating an overlap. Furthermore, no matter which class of Jedi you are, as a Jedi you share the core values of the Order such as the Code. Although you may go about solving problems in different ways, in the end the nature of the Order means you are likely to share goals and values. This overlap is what allowed Obi-wan to function as a negotiator and diplomat whilst officially being a Guardian.

I believe that the decision to focus on certain skills or diversifying is a very personal choice. By focusing on a specific skill-set, you are clearly giving yourself an advantage in that particular area. However, that advantage comes at a cost in other areas. For everything you gain, you lose something else. So, I do not think I could argue that one approach is objectively better than another, but perhaps may be better for the individual.

Sentinels are often jacks of all trades, but there are roles within the Jedi that require very specific skillsets-- say, a healer. Should a healer learn lightsaber combat? Does an archivist need to know how to pilot ships? If there's only so much time in the day, should a Jedi focus on skills directly related to their role, or should they branch out, learn something different? What would you prefer to do, as an individual Jedi-- learn it all, but perhaps risk not mastering any of the multitude of skills, or focus on a specific few to a deeper extent of mastery? No one can master it all-- where would you place your focus?

Whilst there are roles within the Jedi that require a very specific skill-set, the development of such skill-sets comes later on in training. Outside of the Jedi Order, a student must first complete their high school qualifications before going to college/university. Similarly, before becoming a Jedi Healer, a Jedi should first complete Jedi ‘high school’, giving the skills necessary for other areas of Jedi life such as lighsaber combat or starfighter piloting. Once a Jedi has begun their training in a specific role, I think it is still valuable to maintain a basic competency in other skills too. This may limit the depth that can be achieved in the specific area, but to maintain skills should only require a very basic time commitment. Once at this level and with a basic foundation in other areas, the need to branch out, however, may be reduced. By maintaining skill in areas not directly relevant to their class of Jedi, a Jedi can ensure that they have the flexibility to deal with unexpected circumstances and are not caught off guard.

Personally, I would prefer to focus on a few specific areas to a deeper extent of mastery rather than attempt to ‘learn it all’. Whilst being more skilled in fewer areas may limit where my skill-set could be applied, it has the potential to allow me to use this skill-set to a greater extent. However, as I’ve already discussed, development of a deeper mastery comes a long way down the line! As my training progresses, I'm sure my feelings on these matters will evolve.

 

I totally agree with you, Master Durron. Enjoying their replies to the fullest. Well done to both of you.

 

What kind of a master would let a Padawan learn pyrokinesis?! Harrumph! Kids these days can get away with anything. Wasn't like that in my day. Harrumph.

 

These apprentices are doing an amazing job! It has been a while since I have seen such thoroughly written tasks.

With that in mind I will grant Three More Force Points to @Voss Fulris in addition to whatever his masters grants to him.
@Bardan_Jusik

 

@Khalia Octa already got 3 more over the usual maximum She did an excellent job

 

Well. That's why I usually bold my points so nobody overlooks them.
I'd still like to give her ONE additional force point in my role as an actual Jedi Master.
She really did an excellent job.
@Khalia Octa
@Bardan_Jusik

 

(Now thinking that I should have written that 10 page essay on Qui-Gon...)

 

Well done @Voss Fulris: you have done your Master proud in both the in-depth descriptions that you have given and the Jedi class that appeals to you

With this in mind, I would like to grant an additional 3 Force Points to @Voss Fulris please @Bardan_Jusik

 

Thank you, Master @Kyber Acyk for the assignment and points, @Rebecca_Daniels for the extra questions I borrowed, and @ConservativeJedi321 for the bonus all very much appreciated.

 

Firstly, thank you for the tasks and the points Master @Rebecca_Daniels and @ConservativeJedi321

To be honest, I haven't thought about this much. I am really interested in Force Illusions or Mind Tricks and I think that would be really great to learn. I think I like how you can directly distract your opponent with these techniques rather than just slamming an object into them (although that still distracting). It seems more creative as well . I don't really want to learn about Force smell or any precognition techniques -- I like surprises and other wise I'd stress about upcoming events. Not really sure what else to write and I don't feel I need to add anything else, but if I do just tell me.

 

Ooh, that's an interesting direction, hmm... I've replied more on technology for stealth and trickery (or rather, my Jedi persona Liuna has) but Force illusions... perhaps I'll have to arrange something with someone more adept at those skills

It's all good, not everything is a task-- short answers are more than fine when I don't specify it's a task. And like @Adalia-Durron said, go have some fun and I'll be thinking up something suitably creative for your next task, just give me a few days

 

@ Yub Yub Commander is taking over!

 

Join us.

 

Big Mean Master Adalia,

Sorry! I thought that the assignments had some overlap, meaning it might be acceptable to borrow some related questions, but I will make sure to keep to my Master's training in future. I'll make sure I don't do it again, sorry to all involved.

Agreed, I just struggle not to work on a task once it is put in front of me. I'll try and be more disciplined in future and take my time

 

@Kev-Mas_Colcha It was an interesting experiment but as it has been two pages I will answer you as no one else has You can join the RP whenever you like! Most of us join the RP (at least at first) as our IC personas from here with similar rank. For example from myself I was a Knight when I first joined the prior iteration of the game, became a Master here, and not until the newest iteration was that Master status recognized. So there is some warning in following convention, although if a Paddy just saying you are starting the game near the end of your trials should be easy enough and Bardan has allowed a promotion in game to occur between story line segments as part of the background down time in game. So that should hopefully answer your question and a couple you didn't ask P.S. I retired my original character Master Trevalus (my Guardians of Light Kubaz persona) to the background in that game, but if you or anyone wants to interact with him he available despite me playing as my Padawan Knight that is a Kage.

Also, thank you for your patience. Your next task, if you choose to accept it, is as follows. Come to the Rancor Pit. It is time we had a duel and see how your lightsaber skills are fairing and what your chosen style shall be for now with that fancy blade of yours

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