Guide to the Grand Army (Insider #84)

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  1. ARC-77 Jedi Knight

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    Where's it stated that the clone deaths hit 3.2 million?



    Isn't the GAR ORBAT and the Imperial ORBAT the same? I thought all the units were the same size.

    Oh, and it's canon, not cannon. Cannon's go boom. :p
  2. StarKiller_Outrider Jedi Knight

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    Personal attack. You can be banned for this passive-aggressive behavior havac.
  3. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    Well in other sources, it was the more realistic 100.

    Another thing for the Clone Wars inconsistencies thread
  4. ARC-77 Jedi Knight

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    Okay, I admit I screwed up on the first Battle of Kamino. It's been a while since I read the Republic comics, and the Wookiee wasn't much help, and seemed to indicate it wasn't that bad casualty-wise.

    Still, the numbers for the GAR is the size after a year. It started out a 1.2 million at Kamino, wasn't it? The quote I posted from Leeland Chee indicates that the GAR kept growing. It's reasonable to believe that Kamino was churning out enough clones that even with 3.2 million casualties, the GAR is 3 million, isn't it? The Battle of Kamino only hit Tipoca City, too, as far as I know.

    I admit that my post regarding divisions wasn't really relevant, and agree it tends to be towards the upper end. The idea that an Acclamator always carries it's full complement is ridiculous, though. It's hardly necessary to have that much in one ship, and makes more sense to split the complement of soldiers up in case one ship is destroyed.

    And yes, the second Battle of Kamino was the one with the Mandalorians.
  5. Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus

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    Mild baiting, maybe, but not a serious personal attack. We've let people get away with scoffing at the "mental gymnastics" that are necessary to believe in the 3 million figure before; I don't think Havac's comment is any different.

    Havac's probably right though, 9-15 million is way too high. I highly doubt the police force for one building would be equivalent to the population of New York City, since that would be unnecessary and impracticle. ~75,000 would be my low-end estimate.
  6. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    Now whose being silly? The secretary staff pool, chauffers, chefs and so on are all trained Republic special forces.
  7. Havac Former Moderator

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    I'm honestly confused. Where are you getting this number? I see the math you do, but where did you get a source to say that the security complement of one building is three to five times the size of the GAR? Something somewhere is getting stretched, and I'm not sure how we're supposed to accept that.
  8. browwiw Jedi Knight

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    Starkiller is trying really to win an internet. Even if he wins, he loses. And he seems to be pathologically unable to spell "Traviss".

    Anyway.

    I've never really thought about the upper limit of the Senate Guard's numbers. They're supposed to be an elite group that performs the same function as the RL Secret Service. I severely doubt they'd be tasked with fighting in the war. You'd probably only see a Guardsman near the front lines if he was with a Senator or similar official on a 'fact finding' mission.

    I wonder about the Republic Judicial Forces, though. Weren't they re-absorbed into the Republic Navy and GAR at the beginning of the Clone Wars. That's like, six, seven guys right there.
  9. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    I think the Judicial Forces were an army in all intents and purposes anyway.

    Just not as large and powerful as it COULD be.
  10. Sinrebirth SWC and EUC Forum Moderator

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    18-36 ships (Dreadnaughts and Consulars) a sectorr, per the ISB.

  11. Charlemagne19 Chosen One

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    1800 Dreadnoughts is nothing to sneeze at even if its a drop in the bucket to the Emperor's resources.
  12. Sinrebirth SWC and EUC Forum Moderator

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    Especially considering they could be crewed by 16000 'Judicials', per the older numbers. Several million Judicials, and that's before you count 3000 'Judicials' each could carry as troops.
  13. dp4m Chosen One

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    I'm honestly tired of having to ban people like every other week due to this thread. Thus, it's locked. Have a nice time trying to actually debate rationally elsewhere.
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